A former intelligence official has come forward to report that he has personally delivered extensive classified information to Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) regarding a secret arms race that involves the recovery and study of numerous anomalous craft—both intact and otherwise—that are clearly of non-human origin. This whistleblower says that the existence of these recovery programs has been illegally hidden from Congress. His revelation of their existence resulted in him being the target of retaliation from those that wish to keep the existence of UAP secret—reprisals that are now prohibited by law.

The whistleblower in question, David Charles Grusch, spoke to Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, two of the investigative reporters that, in their bombshell December 17, 2017 New York Times article, broke the story of the existence of the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), rekindling an open interest in UFOs in the House and Senate. The new story appears in the Debrief.

Grusch, a decorated combat officer that served in Afghanistan, served with both the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO); he was assigned as the NRO’s representative to the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force from 2019 to 2021; and from late 2021 to July 2022 he was the NGA’s co-lead for UAP analysis.

Along with the numerous briefs on UAPs he prepared for Congress, Grusch also participated in drafting the language regarding UAP investigations that was included in the FY2023 National Defense Authorization Act—signed into law by President Biden in December 2022—that included a provision that extends protections to whistleblowers providing UAP-related information to Congress from potential retaliation, regardless of any non-disclosure agreements they might have previously signed.

As an intelligence strategist who “analyzed unidentified aerial phenomena reports” and “boosted congressional leadership Intel gaps [in] understanding,” according to an NRO Performance Report, Grusch is described as being “beyond reproach” by retired Army Reserve Colonel Karl E. Nell, who also worked alongside Grusch as the Army’s Director for the UAP Task Force from 2021 to 2022; the information that Grusch disclosed to Kean and Blumenthal has been “cleared for open publication” by the Department of Defense’s Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review.

Grusch reports that U.S. government agencies, allied countries and defense contractors have been recovering exotic materials and technologies for decades that include “partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles.”

Extensive study of the recovered craft has determined that they are not the product of a covert development program of a foreign adversary or other human-based agency, but rather “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” according to Grusch.

Kean and Blumenthal were able to corroborate this information through Grusch’s associates, who were able to provide evidence that these artifacts of non-human origin are in the possession of highly-secret black programs. “We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch clarified, referring to the information he supplied Congress and the ICIG with. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”

The existence of this program was revealed to Grusch through interviews with high-level intelligence officials—some of whom are still directly involved with this program—that amounts to a decades-long “publicly unknown cold war for recovered and exploited physical material—a competition with near-peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes/landings and retrieve the material for exploitation/reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages.”

Grusch’s investigation revealed that these artifacts have been collected over the course of nearly eight decades, and have been gathered into what he describes as UFO “legacy programs” that have been hidden within “multiple agencies nesting UAP activities in conventional secret access programs without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities.” In short, these activities were illegally hidden from the committees formed by Congress that would ordinarily keep these programs in check, hidden within otherwise mundane classified projects.

“Individuals on these UAP programs approached me in my official capacity and disclosed their concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings, such as illegal contracting against the Federal Acquisition Regulations and other criminality and the suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia,” Grusch stated.

“When you have multiple agencies nesting UAP activities in conventional [special access programs/controlled access programs], both as recipients of exploitation-related insights and for operational reasons, without appropriate reporting to various oversight authorities, you have a problem,” Grusch continued.

But despite his investigation and reporting to Congress being part of his duties as a key UAPTF official, Grusch reports that he was the target of retaliation after his identity was disclosed to “individuals and/or entities” within the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community,” resulting in months of retaliation and reprisals; in May 2022, Grusch filed a “Disclosure of Urgent Concerns(s); Complaint of Reprisal” with the ICIG in response to this treatment; to protect the integrity of the investigation, Grusch requested that the details of his ordeal be withheld.

Such retaliatory behavior is now illegal, as set out by the amendments championed in the FY2023 National Defense Authorization Act by Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Marco Rubio that prohibit reprisals against individuals that are disclosing UAP-related information, regardless of any non-disclosure agreements they may have signed.

However, Grusch’s coming forward appears to be encouraging others to do so too: an intelligence officer specializing in UAP analysis at the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), Jonathan Grey, stated that “the existence of complex historical programs involving the coordinated retrieval and study of exotic materials, dating back to the early 20th century, should no longer remain a secret.”

“The majority of retrieved, foreign exotic materials have a prosaic terrestrial explanation and origin—but not all, and any number higher than zero in this category represents an undeniably significant statistical percentage,” Grey—a pseudonym used as part of his identity within the agency—points out.

“A vast array of our most sophisticated sensors, including space-based platforms, have been utilized by different agencies, typically in triplicate, to observe and accurately identify the out-of-this-world nature, performance, and design of these anomalous machines, which are then determined not to be of earthly origin,” Grey added.

“High-level, classified briefing materials exist in which real-world scenarios involving UAP, as evidenced by historical examples, are made available to Intelligence Personnel on a need-to-know basis,” according to Grey. “I have been the recipient of such briefings for almost a decade.”

Grey went on to say that, despite the fact that most of the technology itself will need to remain classified, “it is no longer necessary to continue to deny that these advanced technologies derived from non-human intelligence exist at all or to deny that these technologies have landed, crashed, or fallen into the hands of human beings.”

It is dangerous for this “eighty-year arms race” to continue to unfold in the shadows, as it “further inhibits the world populace to be prepared for an unexpected, non-human intelligence contact scenario,” Grusch asserted.

“I hope this revelation serves as an ontological shock sociologically and provides a generally uniting issue for nations of the world to re-assess their priorities,” he said.

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    1. The initial headline I wrote while reading Leslie and Ralph’s draft had a few more expletives in it. 😀

      But yeah: WOW!

  1. WOW!!!!!!! Whitley, I am hoping you will have Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal in for an interview, even if it is a SPECIAL REPORT and not the whole 90 minutes.

  2. Amazing news. Looks like the National Defence Authorization Act is having an impact. One thing that is confusing me is that it says his information was “cleared for open publication” yet he he is called a whistle-blower and has suffered reprisals. Does this mean there is an internecine war going on within the government? Will there be moves to sanction the people who have committed these illegal acts? Perhaps there needs to be a Truth and Reconciliation process like they had in South Africa. Interesting times!

    1. Looks like thedebrief.org site is struggling at the moment. No wonder!

      1. This is exciting news for those of us who know the truth in our hearts , the general public won’t be able to accept what’s disclosed and will only embrace the lies they are told by those wanting to hide what’s gone on for decades . Fear factor will probably win sadly . The web of lies told is like a smoke screen , I can’t see it ever been dismantled .

    2. The reprisals Grusch is talking about were a result of his reporting about his UAP findings to Congress and the ICIG, while the information that the DoD’s Defense Office of Prepublication and Security Review cleared was what he was divulging to Kean and Blumenthal.

      Presumably, the Congressional briefings would have gone through a similar process, but it’s doubly nasty that the parties responsible would retaliate against him for just doing his job.

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    That’s a very interesting idea. There does need to be some sort of process like that. Also, something to protect defense contractors who have violated the federal procurement act. This is mentioned briefly toward the end of the article, but it is very important. Perhaps something could be passed, or an executive order created that would protect such contractors from lawsuits if they made the patents they have generated from study of these materials public property.

  4. At last signs of the “dam of information” breaking! I wonder if it will actually make the main stream news or be buried as usual? This warrants to be breaking news for every news outlet. Any ideas from the peanut gallery on what our small hoard of experiencers can do to help to widen the tide, and inspire more legislation or presidential acts to protect these brave “whistleblowers”?

    1. I’m already looking for it. There’s been something posted by The Sun 7 minutes ago.

    2. The image of a “damn” of information is evocative. Let’s damn the dam! I’m grateful to Grusch and the others for helping to get this out, even at great personal cost. I hope this WOW moment is going to be as big as it appears.

  5. I am so glad that important whistleblowers are more and more coming out of the woodwork, as it were…but…

    Honestly, my trust in all this from the government and military is so diminished at his point that I would seriously question anything that was said by them. We should not have to endlessly rely on whistleblowers to find out information that is of key interest to the actual health and well-being of our citizenry and American democracy. In addition, books such as ‘Trinity’, by Jacques Vallee and Paola Harris, have gotten short shrift by many in the UFO ‘community’ because of inconvenient truths that do not fit their paradigm.

    This is BIG, and while I am very glad that we are finally (seemingly) getting somewhere on all this, I find myself taking a step back before coming to any conclusions about whether or not it is a game-changer. This should be a headline story in major news outlets and mainstream media everywhere in the world, because it impacts our future as a species, and what we do going forward—on just about everything. The next few days or weeks things should begin to shake it all up. But will it?

    Gosh, I hope so…🤞

    1. I just finished reading “Trinity” and it’s a conundrum why it’s not more widespread touted by the UFO community. There are so many unknowns – the UFO community should embrace all information regardless of how it rocks our beliefs. Pure science and curiosity in knowledge of things not understood should rule. If we don’t adhere to those principles that makes us a cult religion which we should all be acutely aware of and resist. I’m reading “American Cosmic” by D.W. Pasulka right now that addresses this. I’m not sure I agree with all her conclusions, but that doesn’t mean I shut out her theories. It’s a brilliant piece.

    2. Can you please expand on which ‘inconvenient truths’ you are talking about in this context?

      1. QBIST, if you haven’t read ‘Trinity’, you probably are not aware of ‘inconvenient truths’ that have to do with how some indigenous people in New Mexico were affected by the first Atom bomb test. No one cared enough about them to give a warning, or any information at all, about the destructive force —a destructive force that affected them and their health, and appears to also have been behind a UFO crash a couple of years before Roswell that included the retrieval of a nearly intact vehicle. The book was well-researched by Vallee and Harris, and it’s pretty devastating, even if you totally dismiss the UFO aspect. If you don’t dismiss it, you start to see why UFOs became another ‘inconvenient truth’ after WWII…

        Humanity is dangerous…

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    Some big media might pick it up, but the biggest ones are generally are afraid of losing their access to the Pentagon, so they’re very hesitant to run these stories. After a Leslie and Ralph’s 2017 article in the Times they moved to having a debunker as their go to UFO guy. I’d think that he’s working on a debunking article right now. If so, he’ll get comments from congressional staffers who have unreported DoD connections or, barring that, simply attribute “Pentagon sources.” The Times allows him to do this.

  7. So will this article be in the Times next. I forwarded the debrief link to my friends and family, and immediately they begin to reply they couldn’t pull it. Alas. My son who is in the Air Force replied the only thing he expects to see is an article about the “whistleblower” dying of some pre-existing condition . I know he said this “tongue and cheek”, but darnit….prayers for all involved.

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      The Debrief has been going up and down all day due to traffic.

  8. Furthering Whit’s comment about the veracity–or lack thereof–of the NYT’s UAP correspondent, The Debrief posted a separate article specifically addressing how Grusch’s credentials and the information he was providing was verified first by Kean and Blumenthal, and then the publication’s staff:


    The article also underscores the importance of what is being put forward here: over the decades the UFO coverup has leaked like a sieve, but Grusch’s information is being backed up by his peers, unlike the vacuum that other whistleblowers were forced to work in.

    The NYT would be required to have a similar vetting process for anonymous sources contributing to their news stories; their sources can’t just be random people making things up–outside of cable news networks, there are laws governing the veracity of news reporting–so their identities are vetted by the publication’s investigative teams, although that’s as far as the information regarding their identities go, with the audience only seeing “sources” identifying the individual.

    However, the same process isn’t necessarily true for opinion pieces, the form that the NYT’s UAP debunking articles have been posted in, where the publication can claim plausible deniability if the story isn’t accurate.

    Opinion pieces are very often posted alongside factual news stories, something that can blur the lines between the two formats for most readers–this is probably part of NYT’s strategy to downplay the issue–so it is *vitally important* to make a distinction between the two, regardless of publication: The NYT articles are someone posting their subjective opinion about the subject, while Kean and Blumenthal’s The Debrief is an up-front news story, something held to an entirely different standard.

    1. Matthew, like you I went searching and also read the other article in ‘The Debrief’. They did their due diligence in vetting sources and information before publishing Kean and Blumenthal’s story. I also found a brief blurb at MSN, but for the most part the news media was *chirping crickets*. This morning, the story has been picked up by Fox News:


      What is telling is that the cattle mutilations here in Texas and Oklahoma were showing up at all the major news outlets when the reports came out. I was really surprised at that. So…I think there is a lot going on behind the scenes with news outlets too, which is also disturbing.

      1. I thought that providing the contractor misconduct/arms race aspects of the story might be enough of a crowbar to pry the MSM’s attention open. We can hope…

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      Hopefully if anything does appear, it’ll be supportive. I doubt this, but let’s wait and see.

  9. Per FoilHatNinja’s link to the Need to Know channel, NewsNation is airing an interview with Grusch, conducted by Ross Coulthart, at 6:00pm EDT.


    I’ll find a replay link to post after the broadcast.

    [Edit] Bummer: that link is just a preview for the broadcast, I’m trying to find an online stream.

    [Edit #2] It looks like you can stream it live, but only if you have an existing cable provider, so many of us will just have to be patient…

    1. Ross Coulthart interviewed Grusch for over 7 hours, apparently more detail will be delivered in this interview. Great discussion on the Need to Know Youtube channel with Bryce Zabel and Ross…Is this the tipping point ??

  10. I really want to know how we got ‘intact vehicles’? Gifts? Landed empty and we carted them off? Shot down and they landed intact? ???

    1. Sunbow , I really believe there’s been collaboration that’s allowed agencies to have knowledge but the price paid by humanity is more than we will ever be told .

    2. Christopher Mellon mentions that “a craft was allegedly abandoned and recovered,” something that could explain at least one of them, and Lazar said that one of the craft present at S4 was recovered in an archaeological dig.

      Also bear in mind that “intact” doesn’t necessarily mean “functioning”; one or more may have safely landed after suffering a malfunction and was taken by a human recovery team.

      And the idea of some of them being gifts is a not-unpopular notion…

  11. So far the only Grusch I’ve found in a search of the NY Times is a 1985 film review of a movie by film maker Werner Grusch called “White Elephant”. It sounds like a good movie and I’ll see if it’s on cable. So some good may come of this yet.

    1. It’s almost creepy how universally silent the legacy news outlets are being on this: NYT, WaPo, The Hill, BBC, CBC, Reuters, and AP; twelve hours later and they’re all silent on the subject–even The Drive and The Warzone are drawing a blank.

      The UK tabloids jumped on it right away, so if it has “Star” or “Sun” in the name they’ve run it. Daily Beast did a piece on the NewsNation interview, and Jalopnik did a piece, although given the crowd there I think it was just fodder for the snark mill.

      Regarding the NewsNation interview, it appears that it was just a short minutes-long excerpt from a much longer interview that Ross Coulthart plans to release in the coming week(s); we’ll keep our eyes peeled for that.

      Ralph Blumenthal Tweeted earlier that WaPo was originally going to run the story, but time was running short so he and Leslie decided to run with The Debrief instead:

      Lue Elizondo also posted encouragement for Grusch on Imagur:

    1. And with commentary from Nick Pope!

      The Independent, Huffpost, Newsweek and Vice have all finally joined in; still notably absent from the party are AP, BBC, CBC, NPR, NYT and (ironically) WaPo.

  12. I had a dream almost exactly a year ago about watching a video of Whitley saying that full global disclosure was about to happen momentarily, and had some good words of wisdom about it.

    The dream was so vivid I actually wrote down exactly what he said.

    Not a big premonition guy, but I could totally imagine we’re on the precipice of exactly this happening.

  13. Well finally there’s a reference in the NY Times to this. Well, maybe not a direct reference. In an article about Tucker Carlson’s Twitter show the Times mentions “a closing bit on a whistle-blower who contends that the U.S. government possesses material from extraterrestrial aircraft”. (aircraft?) And if you click on those last two words it takes you directly to the Kean/Blumenthal article on the Debrief site. So it’s not a big headline in the Times, but I’ll take what I can get. If there was a comment section for that Times article I’d try pointing to the Debrief mention, but there’s not, so I can’t. Rats.

  14. June 7, 2023 – Contact In The Desert panel discussion on new whistleblower revelations on 2023-06-05
    TOPIC: Contact In The Desert panel discussion on new June 5 whistleblower revelations on 2023-06-05

    Former Sr. Intelligence official and new whistleblower David Charles Grusch, 36, released Monday, June 5, 2023, classified information about “deeply covert programs that possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of unknown non-human origin.” Why wasn’t Congress in this major intell loop and why wasn’t this front page NYT news?

    Speakers (L to R):
    1) Sarah Sheehan;
    2) Danny Sheehan, Atty. for UAP Investigator Luis Elizondo;
    3) Linda Moulton Howe, Reporter and Editor, Earthfiles YouTube Channel;
    4) Richard Dolan, UFO historian and author;
    5) Steve Bassett, Founder, Paradigm Research Group for UFO disclosure;
    6) Alan Steinfeld, Producer, New Realities podcast;
    7 and 8) J. J. and Desiree Hurtak, Ph.D.s, authors and founders of Academy For Future Science.


    Also, News Nation will broadcast Coulthart’s interview with Grusch on Sunday, June 11th, at 8:00 Central Time.

    1. Danny Sheehan goes back a long, long way, with the Christic Institute exposing the CIA’s narcotic trafficking in the wake of the Vietnam War, and the colorful Col. Bo Gritz on the ground in the Golden Triangle. This must have been 40 years ago.

      Thanks for tracking the story, like reports coming in of the effects of a planetary quake, hour by hour, as the realization gradually dawns.

    2. Thanks for this Cosmic, catching a panel of long-time experts in one spot just as the news broke was a serious stroke of good fortune!

      1. You’re welcome! More to come…I’ll keep posting here as I find out more from various sources.

        For those who are interested, News Nation will have the Coulthart/Grusch interview up on Sunday, June 11th, 8:00, CST.

        I’m following up on some things I remember that may have a bearing on some things said by the panel at Contact in the Desert.

    1. Thanks Carollee, I’m putting this together as an article now.

  15. This in The Hill today:

    Stunning UFO crash retrieval allegations deemed ‘credible,’ ‘urgent’ :

    I found this of particular interest:

    “Earlier this week, the Department of Defense released a statement in response to Grusch’s stunning allegations. According to the department, the Pentagon’s new UFO office “has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently.”

    However, this may be clever wordsmithing. Grusch claims that staff of previous UFO analysis programs were not “read in” — that is, given access — to information regarding the kind of activities that he and others allege exist. As such, it is conceivable that, like its predecessor organizations, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (the Defense Department’s current UFO analysis effort) is simply not privy to the alleged program.”

    1. This was touched on at the recent open hearing, but not discussed: AARO has only Title 10 authority, similar to what the armed forces are tasked with; many intelligence agencies, on the other hand, have Title 50 authority, of which is seen as superseding Title 10, meaning there are some agencies that don’t feel beholden to AARO’s investigations.

      As to whether that’s by design or oversight remains to be seen; either way it would explain AARO’s lack of apparent progress in some areas of their investigation.

      1. Compartmentalization.
        For those unfamiliar with the word:

        “The act or process of dividing a complex task or structure into smaller, often more manageable pieces.”

        Our government does this all of the time, even within an agency. State and local government does it too. It can drive you nuts, if you are actually trying to get anything productive accomplished. I know because I was caught up in it on a county level>that answered to the state level>which answered to the federal level— on the program that I worked with. “Manageable” is the key word, and the real question is who manages it all from the top.

  16. …And here we go…

    Compass Rose Attorneys Formally End Association with UAP Whistleblower David Grusch

    “Attorneys from the Compass Rose Legal Group, who represented whistleblower David Grusch in his complaint to the Intelligence Community Inspector General (ICIG) regarding harassment he says he received during his investigation of a supposed UAP crash retrieval program within the Department of Defense, have issued a statement saying they have ended their formal association with the former intelligence officer…”

    “…Recent media articles misstate the scope of the firm’s representation and include material misstatements of fact pertaining to our representation, which we have requested be corrected.

    “The whistleblower disclosure did not speak to the specifics of the alleged classified information that Mr. Grusch has now publicly characterized, and the substance of that information has always been outside of the scope of Compass Rose’s representation. Compass Rose took no position and takes no position on the contents of the withheld information.”

    They’ve gone as far as they are willing to go…


    1. Thanks Cosmic!

      Although the debunkers will take this as Compass Rose distancing themselves from Grusch, the statement indicates that (to paraphrase yourself) they’ve taken this as far as they can (“successfully”, as they put it), and the rest is up to the ICIG.

      We have another article set to run that, in part, addresses Compass Rose’s involvement, so I’ll amend it before Amy posts the story to reflect this–and perhaps we should hold off altogether until Grusch weighs in on this development, although I suspect that this doesn’t affect what we already know.

      CR’s statement says that they have requested that corrections be made in regards to misstatements made by the media, but The Debrief’s article says that they were not contacted to that end; being our primary source, I think we’re in the clear in regards to the accuracy of what Unknown Country has been posting.


      1. I think ya’ll are doing fine! There’s lots of garbage out there, and ya’ll show discernment, which is in short supply among the masses. There is a LOT of distraction out there, including things of real importance, which plays into this scenario and can serve to stop it in its tracks. I will continue to post here if I find things of relevance that are helpful to you and Unknown Country.

  17. Huh…

    Remember 2017 when The New York Times ran the story by Leslie Kean? ‘Times’ have changed…Note that non-human species has been replaced by “inhuman species”.

    “Actual aliens would be more interesting than Deep State cranks or psy-ops. But all these scenarios make for pretty strange stories about how our government operates.”


    1. Man, that is just *sad*! The NYT still hasn’t committed to even a back-page mention of this, and is resorting, once again, to opinion pieces to give the impression that they’re keeping up with the story.

      I guess it really has been a long time since the Pentagon Papers leak…

      1. The irony of it all is in the conclusion of this opinion piece: “you should be following the U.F.O. beat even if you don’t think aliens are out there — because the truth might be weird enough.”
        So if these news are worth following, why are they not fit to print in the Times?

  18. Ok…I have watched the interview by Coulthart with Grusch. It’s kind of devastating, but nothing said in it is a surprise to many of us. Linda Moulton Howe has been talking to mainly anonymous whistleblowers for many years, and the information that Grusch is able to provide (not withstanding various security clearances of information that he cannot reveal) corroborates much of Linda’s work ( with accompanying Hall of Mirrors and Quicksand Floor)

    I really urge the people here at Unknown Country to make some time to watch it, and form your own conclusions—or not. I have reached no concrete conclusions, but based on the way that I feel physically about this, it is a game-changer, but will need time to filter out to the general public and world, and involve a level of discernment that is lacking in—so many.

    The interview can be streamed here:


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    I think that the Times is too close to its Pentagon sources to follow this story effectively.

  20. UAP Reports Involve the Ocean Too, NASA Investigator Reveals

    Meet Paula Bontempi, the oceanographer and former NASA leader who has embarked on a mission to explain unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP).

    Paula Bontempi, an oceanographer at the University of Rhode Island and former acting deputy director of Earth science at NASA, is one of those team members. She tells Inverse she was initially surprised by the invitation.

    Inverse spoke with Bontempi about the ocean’s role in our study of the cosmos, how to decide what’s normal, and Earth’s climatic “cholesterol.”


  21. Coming to a Rooftop Near You: A UFO-Spotting Spycam

    Harvard physicist Avi Loeb and his alien-hunting startup, the Galileo Project, is building what they hope will be a global network of skyward-pointing sensors whose purpose is to scan, look, and listen for UFOs—or, to borrow the in-vogue and official U.S. government term, Unexplained Aerial Phenomena (UAP).


  22. More than a year ago, Grusch sought the advice of journalists George Knapp and Jeremy Corbell. In this episode of WEAPONIZED, Jeremy and George tell the inside story of their friendship with Grusch, why he risked everything by coming forward, and about other government insiders and whistleblowers who are prepared to follow in Grusch’s footsteps.


  23. This story hasn’t died—yet. And yes, I’ve read all of these!
    For “much ado about nothing”…there’s still much ado…

    The NYT is taking the circuitous route via an opinion piece that’s really a podcast transcript podcast transcript:

    The Ezra Klein Show

    Transcript: Ezra Klein Interviews Leslie Kean



    Senator Admits UFO Whistleblower Report Tracks With Official Briefing


    More from News Nation:

    Luna: Lawmakers aim to have ‘bipartisan’ UFO hearing in July


    More from The Guardian:

    Monday briefing: Why new claims about UFOs have experts wondering if the truth really is out there


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    This is so poignant and so deeply sad. It certainly is a reflection of the heartlessness of those who kept the secrets, and keep them still.

    I worry that the Defense Department will try to protect itself from criticism by claiming that the abductions simply never happened. This would be embraced enthusiastically in most of the media, and certainly in the scientific and academic communities.

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