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From Whitley Strieber: “I would like to welcome one of our favorite guest hosts back to Dreamland after too long an absence. This week Marla Frees returns with a deeply moving and beautiful discussion with the legendary author Marianne Williamson about her new book, Tears to Triumph, the Spiritual Journey from Suffering to Enlightenment.”

For the first few minutes of the show, Whitley talks to Richard Owen of the Gyre Cleanup Project. Our oceans are choking in plastic trash. But there’s no reason to despair. Fantastic new technology offers us the chance to clean it all up.

Then Marla Frees and Marianne Williamson have an electrifying and empowering conversation on how to turn the pain of life into the joy that we have all come here to taste. Truly food for the soul in Dreamland’s Year of Awakening.

Marianne Williamson’s website is

Learn more about Marla Frees and her work at

You can reach the Gyre Cleanup Project at

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  1. You’re voting for someone who
    You’re voting for someone who ***stole*** the election from Bernie??? I don’t GET THAT!!! How is that HONORABLE in any way shape or form? Sorry… and, yeah, it is an emotional civil war, one imo that is very much needed at this point in history, or we will NOT survive and thrive as the human race… but hey, there’s a real civil war happening in the military now.
    I am not advocating voting for Trump, or NOT voting for him. But gosh, on the overall honor scale, I think the evidence proves his honor is far beyond Hillary. Or Hitlary.

  2. If you like women and the
    If you like women and the ideals of Bernie Sanders, then consider Jill Stein of the Green Party. I saw her on Bloomberg and got a good vibe.

  3. Sangelika you are missing the
    Sangelika you are missing the point. I am wearing my Bernie shirt right now. His sign in my front yard will not be taken down, even after the election. I have listened to Bernie every Friday for 10 years on the Thom Hartmann Show. When Bernie started, he did not think he had a chance. His idea of over 50 years of service was to ignite a fire of thoughtful change. You are the result. Do not go out.
    Let me put it this way. You have a choice between any despot, fill in the blank, one you know may cause the destruction of the world because not only is he a sociopath, narcissistic and probably has a diagnosable mental disorder or a person who knows what they ar doing, is tainted and will probably try to fulfill some of Bernie’s ideas.
    That is your choice. You alone may be the deciding vote. But beware of voting not at all or for someone who doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning. If you take that route, you ego driven moral superiority will prevail and by proxy that ego could put that despot in office.

  4. I want to press the
    I want to press the importance of this show.
    You,Whitley and Marla, have brought on a guest that is ENLIGHTENED.
    I think everyone that has listened to Marianne should go back and listen again. Do not take her observations of life lightly. These ideas are never broached in our mechanistic secular hamster wheel of a society.
    Marianne you are a remarkable lady. I have experienced most of your ideas in 64 years. The last 16 have been the hardest. Little did I know the previous 48 were getting me ready for this part of my life.
    Every horrible thing that happens to you toughens you and educates you for what comes after. The same can be said for wonderful things. The trick is to turn the bad into good. That is creation. That is love. That is experiencing the love of God and seeding hisher being to others. That is the one reason we all are here. Love.

  5. Whitley
    I am in to the last 4


    I am in to the last 4 minutes of this program and truly wish that the whole show had been about the gyre project. This project is noble and the discussion was too short.

    I consider myself a big fan of UC but did not enjoy the remainder of the program after your part. I was not up for – nor do I wish to be subject to again – a discussion / argument about the current American presidential election.

  6. I generally stay away from

    I generally stay away from politics on the show, but in an election season as fraught as this one, the subject is bound to come up. Our two major party candidates both have serious problems. Were they not running against each other, neither would be electable, a reality which is making passions run exceptionally high.

    But think about it. In the larger scheme of things, which includes the greater theme of this week’s show, which is about finding light even when one’s life seems at it darkest, politics doesn’t matter much. It is part of what we are here to see beyond.

  7. This interview demonstrates
    This interview demonstrates not only the importance of growing and learning from a wide variety of experiences, but also knowing oneself and the need to handle life and transcend those things that happen to us that may not seem to be in our own best interest at the time they occur.

    About 25 years ago, in the space of of one week, my son turned one, I lost a job that I loved, and my father was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. The next week I went in for my yearly physical check-up. My doctor asked my how my life was going, and I told him about my job, and the awful news about my dad. At that point, he got out his prescription pad and told me that he was prescribing some drugs to help me ‘cope’ with the things going on in my life. I told him, flat-out, “No!”. I told him that I felt it was important to grieve and work through the pain, and that I did not want to ‘numb’ any of what I was feeling during this sad time. He got a somewhat surprised look on his face, and told me ok, but that if I felt I needed medication later to give him a call.

    I can’t even imagine being ‘numb’ during those last few months before my dad passed away. I was present, and also with him the moment that he died. Being drug free allowed me to be fully present for for him, other family members, and myself. Although I still miss my dad, he is always a whisper away, and the grieving process for me was relatively short-lived, and I just felt blessed to have had him in my life.

    All suffering is a part of emotional, physical, or spiritual pain. But pain does not always lead to suffering. We may not choose our pain, but we certainly have a choice about suffering.

    The discussion of politics was not about politics, but about how people handle politics and allow it to affect their lives and their relationships with others, and it’s a shame that the message was lost or misunderstood.

  8. Whitley you finally convinced
    Whitley you finally convinced me to subscribe. Your summary of Trumpism and it’s consequences is what did the trick. I hope that people will follow Bernie’s advice and vote against Trump. A vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Trump, if we can remember back to Ralph Nader.

  9. Thank you for this interview.
    Thank you for this interview. And thank you Marla for returning.
    There was great wisdom shared by both you and Marianne. Wonderful repartee between you, too, and a palpable sense of warmth and love.
    As for political content – I appreciated it. What good are spiritual principles if we don’t look for ways to apply them to the ‘real’ world? The virulent reactions above only illustrate Marianne’s point that we all need to step back and take a breath and learn tolerance and respect for those who don’t share our views.
    I plan on sharing this episode with several friends who likely are unaware of Dreamland.

  10. This was a good practical

    This was a good practical application of enlightenment, a great guest and a great host-
    Happy that Marla is hosting on a regular schedule!

  11. I just finished listening to
    I just finished listening to this episode and am still digesting it. I am happy that someone with Marianne’s stature is willing to standup to Big Pharmas effort to turn normal human emotions into a disease (and another profit center). I have no problem with the interview turning to the political–not only our existence but that of Mother Earth could very well hinge on the outcome of this election. Great reminder that passionate discussion can be done from a point of respect for the other. Wonderful to have Marla back–she is a gem. Hope she will be doing more of the shows!

  12. “So, wanting to hold tight to
    “So, wanting to hold tight to your tribe, Nature won’t support it. And the highest ideals of America don’t support it, either.”

    “The whole idea of freedom in America is that you can be whoever you want to be, believe whatever you want to believe, do whatever you want to do as long as it’s not hurting anyone else.”

    So what if what you want to do is embrace your people, your history, and your culture?

    Of these two quotes from the interview, I embrace the second statement wholeheartedly and with equal passion reject the first. It is our people, our tribe, that allowed us to both reap nature’s bounty and survive its wrath. Nature, human nature, not only supports this embrace of one another, this bond of shared experience and history, but has demanded it of us these many thousands of years. You may choose to reject your ancestors and your past, as is your right in this land. It is equally my right to open my heart to those who share my faith, my tongue and my blood. Freedom must be for all, or it is for none.

  13. Marianne mentioned ACIM was
    Marianne mentioned ACIM was channeled…it’s true..but didn’t mention who channeled it. It was Helen Schucman. She worked closely with William Thetford. The ‘being’ that is teaching through the course is the same one who Marianne saw and that Helen Schucman ‘heard’ and was transmitted through the Course. Jesus.
    Schucman was a clinical and research psychologist, who held the tenured position of Associate Professor of Medical Psychology at the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons at the Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center in New York City. During her tenure at Columbia University, Schucman worked with William Thetford,[12] whom she first met in early 1958.

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