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John Hogue returns to Dreamland with a deeply beautiful, enlightening show. If you listen closely, Whitley and John are talking about explosive ideas, new abilities to move between the stars, a whole new way of looking at the universe and being human.

They discuss current politics, why John’s prediction that Hillary Clinton would be president was both right and wrong, and how it relates to the other time that he was wrong. This goes straight to the heart of where prophecy comes from and how we are to understand it.

Later in this moving and uplifting show, they turn to the question of aliens, interstellar travel and the disclosure project that is now under way. Here, you will hear suggestions that there are already people who travel to other worlds, but not in starships.

Get set to spend an hour in a world of wonder!

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  1. What a beautiful touching
    What a beautiful touching show!

  2. This is a terrific show. I’ve
    This is a terrific show. I’ve always been glad that I subscribed, over 15 years now and this show is exactly why I focus on holding on to a clear mind and a fresh energy level.

    Unknown Country helps me keep looking forward, especially when I’m having a tough week at work.


  3. If you want to count the fact
    If you want to count the fact of all the ILLEGAL VOTES cast for Hitlary, as recently proved by a Harvard study… if you want to count the fact that Homeland Security STOLE five states, and all the other STOLEN VOTES that happened, well, gee, I guess you could say that criminal monster would have won the popular vote. If you want the TRUTH, though, talk to James McCanney about the REAL VOTE COUNT. Furthermore, if you want to actually believe the MSM polls, well that’s on you. ALL THE MEDIA INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX does is lie and spin. At least, Donna Brazille seems to be speaking out about some of the TRUTH… yeah, who murdered Seth Rich?

    I have no problem with you and others believing in certain ideologies. I DO have a problem with bashing President Trump, and not having an open mind about who he really is, and what he is truly accomplishing. I was never on the Trump train because I didn’t like his showboating commercialism. HOWEVER, I will not blind myself to the TRUTH about Clintonista and all her horror-crimes. And I will not blind myself to what President Trump is achieving. No, of course, he’s not perfect. And I don’t agree with everything. I’m neither right nor left … can’t stand either one.

    Note: Our WWII is completely white-washed in our history books as well, thanks to the Rockafella money owning the text books. Just look at the Nazi-Antarctica connection. The lie that Hitler died.

    However, I’ve made the same mistake as John did when looking at the future. You see a certain outcome because say the newspapers reports it that way. And miss what’s really true.

    1. Well as far as the so-called
      Well as far as the so-called illegal voters – how did THAT happen exactly? And where did it happen? Because I used to work for my mother who was a Democrat Precinct Committee Woman as her clerk on primaries and election days for 22 years. No one voted if they weren’t on our list. If they came in and weren’t on the list they were sent away. If you weren’t a member of that precinct you could NOT vote, pure and simple.

    2. I often wonder why it is that
      I often wonder why it is that people believe lies. I guess it’s because they want them to be true.

  4. btw, Whitley, I love you.
    btw, Whitley, I love you. I’ve been listening since the Art Bell days, and your show on the radio, which I loved.

  5. I shouldn’t touch this with a
    I shouldn’t touch this with a ten foot pole, but, Sangelika, what precisely do you think Mr Trump is accomplishing? I am interested in your answer.

  6. All I could think of during
    All I could think of during the first few minutes of the show is how very tired I am of anything related to politics. I was ready to sign off but glad I stayed the course. My heart was deeply touched by John Hogue’s unique view of human life and our universe and by Whitley’s description of his evolving relationship with Anne and non-physical friends. I would love to have those kind of friends who are willing to work with me to overcome my inner darkness. Today I gave someone the finger in traffic when he almost ran into me with an illegal left turn into oncoming traffic. During your show I felt actual pain in my heart as I realized, not only did I hurt myself with my anger but also caused negative energy to spread out to the drivers around me. I kept thinking “I failed again.” But I can’t give up on myself and this segment was what I needed to hear.

  7. Great show! If you are not a
    Great show! If you are not a subscriber you should be. $4.95 a month is nothing for what you get in return. Thanks Whitley.

  8. I loved the tonality of this
    I loved the tonality of this episode. It was as if I was able to eavesdrop on two friends deep in a familiar conversation. Thank you

  9. I haven’t listened to the new
    I haven’t listened to the new podcast yet but from what I remember of John’s presidential prediction he had said that Trump’s astrological positioning was very good for getting elected. I think he waffled at the time towards HRC winning because it looked like that was a foregone conclusion. I remember being very worried that Trump might win based on what John had said at the time.

    1. His prediction that Clinton
      His prediction that Clinton would win was wrong for the same reason that his prediction that Al Gore would win was wrong. In both cases, they did win the popular vote, and it is apparently the zeitgeist that he can touch, not the manipulations of reality that things like our distorted political system cause.

  10. This was, by far, my favorite
    This was, by far, my favorite interview with John Hogue, and I am a long-time listener of Dreamland. Both Whitley and John have changed and matured more towards quiet wisdom, and more peaceful energy as well over the years.

    I liked the term ‘free wing’. I have always been registered as an independent voter, and I’ve also been accused at times of not taking a real stand politically in one direction or another. On some things I am conservative, while on others I tend towards liberal, but, overall, fairly ‘moderate’ ( For some reason, neither party likes that term, while some people equate being a moderate as being ‘wishy-washy.’ ) I’ve voted for Republicans, Democrats, and third party candidates. I’ve also made decisions not to vote for any candidate rather than pick the ‘lesser of two evils.’ I like to be fair, and I also try to vote my conscience, at times voting against my own best interests in favor of what I feel is best for everyone in my community or the country. It is difficult, and I find it disturbing that the word ‘extreme’ is now attached to so many things beyond political and religious belief systems, including things like sports and even everyday things like fashion and food as if it is some really wonderful thing. So John, thanks so much for addressing extremism vs. seeking balance!

    As for the presidential election, I ‘knew’ that Trump was going to win as far back as January 2016, and I remember a tension that I felt watching the announcement of his candidacy in 2015. I white-knuckled through the whole campaign, and never felt for a moment that Clinton was a sure-thing. Election night, I opted for watching an old movie and reading before bedtime, and did not check in on the news at all during the evening. I knew what was going to happen, and preferred to avoid the high drama of election night. Why I knew the outcome, I don’t know, but I do recall feeling that there was a lot of lying going out throughout the campaign, not just from the candidates, but from the electorate as well. THAT was disturbing.

    We are being dragged, kicking and screaming, into taking a good, long look at ourselves, regardless of our political leanings, and who and what we are is being reflected back on us. Do we learn from it and become better, more enlightened human beings, or do we allow it to take us towards more discord, divisiveness, and ultimate destruction?

    Get uncomfortable…It will do you good. 🙂

  11. As John was describing his
    As John was describing his process of mellowing thought his time here, I was reminded of the lyrics from Bob Dylan’s song-poem “My Back Pages”:

    My guard stood hard when abstract threats
    Too noble to neglect
    Deceived me into thinking
    I had something to protect
    Good and bad, I defined these terms
    Quite clear, no doubt, somehow.
    Ah, but I was so much older then,
    I’m younger than that now.

  12. Instead of “thought” I meant
    Instead of “thought” I meant “throughout”.

  13. Sorry guys, but we here in
    Sorry guys, but we here in the NE knew about the “Donald”….and frankly anyone who supports him does not share the same values as I have, so I just walk away, unfriend or delete…

    bye bye Sangelika

  14. OK, so I know this isn’t in
    OK, so I know this isn’t in line with the interview but it is too funny not to post. At the end of the interview John slipped in the names of Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers.

    Yesterday/Saturday and for no apparent reason I glanced at a photo and article about Vladimir Putin on my home page. I have seen Putin’s name hundreds of times BUT yesterday my eyes/mind saw Puttin. AND not just Puttin, my thoughts heard the whole song of, “PUTTIN’ ON THE RITZ.” I had sooo much fun with it and the first person to come up on You Tube is Fred Astaire.

  15. Texans knew W was a phony
    Texans knew W was a phony when he bought a ranch only after he was (s)elected President. His wife made him sell it and move back to Dallas as soon as he left office.

  16. Hi Whitley, I finally got
    Hi Whitley, I finally got enough cash to renew my subscription, and I’d like to begin it by adding a comment. I have to say, I disagree with what you were saying about tearing down confederate statues. Yes, a nation must address its sins and be honest about its past in order to move forward, but tearing down confederate statues does not erase this history. While there are movements to whitewash even America’s past, history books detail the horrors of slavery in America and most people admit to this regrettable past. Tearing down confederate statues gets rids of racist symbolism erected in parks and towns that either glorify that racist past or bear down on the people of colour who live and are visiting those areas. The Master of the Key said: “You treat the black man as if he were some sort of demon…” In order to move forward, we must make these public spaces not feel threatening to people of colour, while also accepting that America was built on slavery (which can, of course, be done without confederate statues in parks and towns).

    1. No, it is imperative to keep
      No, it is imperative to keep them. Tearing them down sets a bad example. 100 yrs ago it was unfathomable that they would be removed. 100 from now, it may be statues of Dr. King coming down. They must stay as a reminder of both the good and the bad. Going down the path of removal is no different than what ISIS or the Taliban did to statues, memorials, mosques or anything else they disagreed with.

  17. The south was Darwinist long
    The south was Darwinist long before Darwin. The Missouri Compromise declared blacks to be at most 3/5 human and 2/5 ape. Evolution is what permitted Europeans in the south to enrich themselves off the labor of those they pretended were only animals striving to evolve toward humanity.

  18. Whitley, I’ve always been
    Whitley, I’ve always been very interested in your opinion of Jesus, knowing that you were raised a Catholic in the heady days of the church but have obviously transcended the strictures of that institution over the years. It sounded to me – albeit briefly – from this discussion that you may have communicated with the being that we know historically as Jesus Christ. Have you had such contact? If so, have you determined anything about whether the gospels accurately portray his message and works? You also mentioned recently that the Q source is one of the best guides you’ve come across for building a strong soul without, as you put it, and if I remember correctly, all the additions found in the gospels. Is your knowledge then that the gospels are filled with events that have no basis in fact? You also mentioned that Jesus himself may not have known or understood the role he would play in human development. Can you expand on that statement? Sorry for all the questions but would greatly value any response you would care to make.

  19. If we tear down the
    If we tear down the Confederate war dead statues, then we also must tear down the Union statues and the Harriet Tubman statues… IF as you claim, we wish to not remind ourselves of slavery. This argument is illogical. When does it stop? An Orwellian slippery slope.

    1. James, a slippery slope
      James, a slippery slope indeed, and honestly no easy answers. My personal feeling is that the statues, rather than being destroyed, should end up in museums as reminders of our history and our past, neither of which were always flattering to us as a people or a nation. Here in Texas, many school districts are scrambling to re-name many of the schools named for Confederate leaders, soldiers, and slave holders. I am a 7th generation Texan, and when my great-great-great-great grandfather came to Texas he owned slaves, as did all of his sons, and nearly every one them died fighting for the Confederacy, leaving behind destitute widows and family members at the end of the war. They lost everything and lived pretty poorly for several generations until my mother’s family finally began to recover after The Great Depression.

      I am not proud that my ancestors owned slaves, but I also feel it is important to look back and realize how slavery had eaten on the soul of our nation, and how horrible the Civil War was for everyone on both sides. Estimates for those that died during the Civil War range from 620,000 to 850,000, almost as many as those who’ve died in all other U.S. conflicts combined. We shouldn’t forget the Civil War and what it was all about (Forget ‘states rights’. It WAS all about slavery.). And people of color should not have to face the indignity of walking past a statue of someone like Jefferson Davis on a daily basis, especially in public areas like parks, state capital grounds, and college campuses. And to be fair, while slavery is evil, I feel that we often lose sight of the fact that there were plenty of good, and not-so-good people on both sides, just as there are in all wars. Here in Texas we have the additional problem of all of those great heroes of The Alamo, many of whom were also slaveholders, and now we have counties, streets and schools named after them too, as well as one big monument honoring them in downtown San Antonio. So, what should be done?

      In our county there is a statue of a Confederate solder in front of our county courthouse. The statue isn’t of a leader or general of the Confederacy, but of a simple soldier, looking more like a farmer than a warrior, which was pretty typical for that war. There have been talks and controversy over this statue recently with some asking that it be removed, and others that it remain. There are black and white people on BOTH sides of this one. The statue was originally designated as a memorial to Confederate soldiers and sailors, so should all of those that fought for the Confederacy be considered, at best, traitors, and at worst, evil for defending slavery?

      What is missing at this point are context, sensitivity, and healing. Until we put our past into its proper context and learn from it, forgive, change, and grow into self-actualized human beings, recognizing and BELIEVING that ALL people are entitled to true equality, we can’t possibly get past the sensitivities in order to heal them.

  20. We are careful not to publish

    We are careful not to publish fake news on, but when it is included in a post from one of our subscribers we will not remove it but point it out as long as the subscriber seems to sincerely believe it. That is the case in this thread. There is a comment above citing a “Harvard Study” that showed that millions of illegals voted in the 2016 general election. In fact, this story is without substance. As near as we can tell, it originated on a popular extremist political website that is notorious for its lies and exaggerations.

    This story from Politifacts is far more likely to be true:

    There is, simply, no genuine evidence that hordes of illegals voted in 2016, and plenty of credible evidence that Hillary Clinton did indeed win by over 3,000,000 votes.

    This is not a political website or a partisan one. But we oppose deception.

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