Jeremy Vaeni’s The Experience: In this, the final interview of The Experience, before next week’s solo finale, “Velvet” returns to talk about the psycho-spiritual pandemic that seems to be shadowing the physical one. Are we living in a perpetual fight, flight, or freeze response state? If so, are experiencers better equipped than others to handle it? Admittedly, Velvet found herself going down some peculiar rabbit holes. How did she see her way out? How can we?

As rationality loses its grip on the human psyche, the world is going mad. And we’ll talk about it. Talk about it all on this extra long, completely open and raw episode.

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  1. Great dialogue/interview. Such an important subject area a on Psyops and maneuvering the shadow or Wetiko “ virus”.
    Velvet & Jeremy do a through and surprising jaunt through some perplexing and maddening group beliefs. Especially liked idea of using child’s pose in yoga to calm excess weirdness in self. How Jacques Vallee came up in all this is good too: we are really being put in positions to doubt everything/ everyone. It’s no longer as simple as double think we are moving into Omni directional lies and doubt. This interview sure opens the door to more reckoning with some of this.
    Jeremy you done way way beyond good: hope you enjoy where you are headed. Aloha.

  2. Jeremy, time really does seem to fly! love I’m glad you are courageous enough to segue to something new, undecided, unknown. Many stay in situations way too long. I appreciate the conversational style you brought to Unkn Country and your dedication/commitment to The Experience. Take care. Keep it moving—FORWARD.

  3. Hey Jeremy,
    I havent listened to this episode yet…
    Ive been traveling a bit and save the pod casts to thumb drive to listen in the car. So, I heard your hemming and hawing. I wanted to post while youre still available to read this….
    There have been times we havent seen eye to eye as it were, but my OPINION… youve done a fantastic job here. You do have a relaxed style of interviewing which is easy to listen to. Ive said in the past that you have all the answers hidden in there, its just a matter of finding them. AND, like watching a stranger throw trash out of the window while they are driving… you really cant control what people think or do. So, dont be frustrated by them. They or even I, will continue to do what we do. (I dont throw trash from my window). Youve pointed to the pathless path. You cant drag them down there, nor do you probably want to make that effort. Its ok. You’ll be fine. Thanks for your efforts; I have truly enjoyed your contributions. Rock on.
    Harley (HG) gobekli tepe.

  4. Ok, I know this may seem simplistic, but it isn’t my job to change anyone but myself. If the person that I happen to be has a positive influence on those other living beings that happen to come within my sphere of influence day-to-day, that’s the best that I can hope for. I am beginning to feel that we really overthink so much and create more bull**** than should be allowed in this reality. I don’t care if we are talking politics, UFOs, or anything else that affects human behavior.

    Rudyard Kipling wasn’t a perfect human being. None of us can say that about ourselves, or anyone else who has ever lived, but Kipling came up with the basic rules of behavior in a simple poem that he wrote. I love this poem so much that had it put on plaques for both of my sons when they were kids. I’ve tweaked a few words in ‘If’, because Kipling was a really good man who understood so much, but he was also a man of his time— but wise, nevertheless.

    by Rudyard Kipling, 1865 – 1935

    If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
    If you can trust yourself when all people doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too;
    If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or, being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
    Or, being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise;
    If you can dream—and not make dreams your master; If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
    If you can meet with triumph and disaster
    And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
    And stoop and build ‘em up with wornout tools;
    If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss;
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone,
    And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: “Hold on”;
    If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with kings and queens—nor lose the common touch;
    If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you; If all people count with you, but none too much;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run—
    Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And—which is more—you’ll be the best of humanity, my sons and daughters!

    P.S. Whitley interviewed Paul Levy about his book, ‘Dispelling Wetiko’ on ‘Dreamland’ on April 4, 2013 if anyone is interested. It’s still in the archives. Worth a listen…

    1. My goodness, real wisdom, real food for the soul. Thank you!

  5. I’m glad you changed the last line of that famous poem Cosmiclibrarian. Although Kipling was a renowned British Imperialist and racist, he also wrote “The Jungle Book” as well as “If”. Goes to show you that no-one is either all bad or all good.

    1. Being human is hard for everyone, but if we start with a good foundation from the day that we are born, and are raised with integrity and love, it really helps and makes a difference…But it doesn’t make us perfect. If you look at the whole world, recognizing that relatively few of us are having our needs met, physically, emotionally, and intellectually, it helps in the realization of what we are up against as a species.

  6. Dear Jeremy – sorry you are going – you will be sadly missed. Sadly much writing on the phenomenon is solipsistic and written by people who have already made their minds up. You weren’t like that – you brought critical thinking to a field in which it is sadly lacking.
    Dymuniadau gorau

  7. Really, really going to miss you and your always very interesting shows! Wishing you all the best in your new endeavors!

  8. I’m new to this website but listened to your recent podcast and you mentioned one of the reason for leaving was an online stalker. How would that even work? Just block them, right?

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