One of our last guests, "Crystal," was introduced to us by her brother, "Robert." Now, we meet Robert and learn about a UFO encounter he had with his then-wife that really gets to the heart of the question so many of us have forgotten is a question: Can we even know what's going on? And that's only hour one. In hour two, we talk to Dr. Tyler Kokjohn about some of the medical tropes in Ufology and the New Age that he is credibly able to speak to. Naturally, that conversation takes a surprising twist.

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