In this stunner of an interview, Whitley brings his own knowledge of the Shroud of Turin to a conversation with a true expert, Dr. Andrew Silverman. The result is one of the deepest, most inspiring and just plain amazing editions of Dreamland ever published. Despite the relentless debunking, the evidence that the shroud really is the burial cloth of a unique man is now overwhelming. But who was that man and what happened to cause his dead body to leave the image that is on the Shroud–and, above all, why is it so important that we understand this in the here and now?

Explore the wonder of the Shroud as it relates to the physics of space-time and the reality of our world and life as we perceive it. This is a truly extraordinary discussion, the sort of thing that you simply will not hear anywhere else except on Dreamland. Don’t miss this one!

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  1. There is a real solid invaluable piece of wisdom….
    ==== we’re here to try. =====
    There’s your wisdom. Whitley, you said it. the wisdom you said you were looking for was right there.
    Interesting interview… nice thoughts. The three pillars and all.
    Light as a photon AND a wave. Dr Silverman is still water, depth.
    well done. i love the poem.

  2. Listening to this episode has been an intense mind trip, or as you say, super natural, so thank you for that. My thoughts while listening to the interview: 1) Has anyone yet tried Kirlian photography on the Shroud of Turin? 2) Focusing on the now — anyone who has ever spent time with a human infant knows that babies are only aware of the now … so that level of awareness must reflect where that baby was before it arrived on Earth in a human body. 3) The verticality of the shroud image … could that represent the moment of ascension? 4) One of the psychology books of the therapist Alice Miller points out that to the human subconscious, all that exists is the now, which explains why it’s difficult to change any human habits, because to our subconscious minds, any change feels like death. 5) One concept about the future that the movie director George Lucas borrowed from Buddhism is in the line spoken by the alien character Yoda: “Difficult to see, the future is, always in motion.” So that is in agreement with what Dr. Silverman says in this Dreamland interview, that “the future isn’t fixed.”

  3. AMAZING! Now this is why I come here! Perfect blend of science and ideas. Very well done except for one repeat of dialog and even that was ok. The implications of the Shroud far exceed the man that created it no matter when it was done. SO much of bible is a allegory and stories but hidden in it his truths and observation done by more “primitive: unscientific man as best he could describe. LOVED THIS AND BUYING BOOK NOW!

  4. Too bad book not available until Feb 13th. Sigh. I have paperback on pre-order at Amazon.

  5. Great interview, Whitley, we truly find things here that are not found anywhere else. If I had a time machine that only worked once, I would have to take it to first century Palestine! Of course I would first have to learn the Aramaic language. Jesus, in his physical form was, In my mind a smart-aleck, that’s the real reason they wanted Him dead.

    For instance, I read that the Aramaic word for camel sounds very much like the word for needle, and I can just see the crowds laughing hilariously as the Pharisees fumed!

    In studying the Lord’s prayer I wonder about the meaning of the word ‘as’. Not being a scholar I cannot give an accurate translation of this word, but I suspect it may be properly interpreted as our word ‘is’.

    “Forgive us our debts, [for that -is- what] we do for others”.
    “Love thy neighbor [for he -is- ] yourself”.

    As above, so below?

  6. For me, this is ONE of the best interviews ever, I am including a short video (the first one) that I sooo love.

    John 1:5-9 King James Version (KJV)

    5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

    7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

    8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

    9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

  7. What a great interview! I’d like to refer the listed below book as an additional, and perhaps, an alternative viewpoint only, not to detract from Dr. Silverman’s offering. The book is; “The Second Messiah – Templars, The Turin Shroud and the Great Secret of Freemasonry” – by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas. Thank you Whitley for another outstanding show!

  8. That was great. We can’t listen to anything about Jesus without him interrupting all the time, though. He agrees with everything said. It was a message. And he’s not coming back. LOL

  9. This was beautiful!
    It is the main secret the church didn’t want the public to know. Jesus did first what the secret schools knew was possible since their inception so many millennia before he did it. He was the son of man.
    What Jesus did we can all do. He was the first among equals.
    Seek the kingdom of Heaven within you.
    Thank you Whitley and Dr. Silverman!

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      This is the core of the change we need to make in our approach to Jesus. His message must not die with the religion that was created when the Roman Empire attempted to use his words and his life to sustain its political power. His message is more important than any religion.

  10. What a great interview! Wordsworth’s poem too, I remember that from years ago. I love the way Dreamland is more focused now on human consciousness the nature of reality, less on the minutiae of the ufo experience. That’s just a part of the whole bigger picture. And more “outside of time” love it! Thanks Whitley

  11. Very evocative pod-cast.
    A few notes written while listening to the talks:

    “For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”
    ~Colossians 2:9

    “I am the light of the world”
    ~John 8:12

    “You are the light of the world.”
    ~Matthew 5:14

    “They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.”
    ~John 17:16

    Fire of God’s burning love burned the image of God in human appearance on the cloth.

    This world appears on the cloth that is our mind.

    Light of itself is invisible. So is consciousness for which light is a symbol.

    Energy not of this world is making crop circles. Imprinting images on fields of plant matter.

    “Back Stage” as non-physical entities we are arranging the atoms to make all this appear, including the images of our bodies, which are really God’s, as are what seem to be our spirits or consciousnesses.

    “What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
    For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.”
    ~1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (KJV)

    “The Sacrament of the Present Moment”

  12. Wonderful interview and mind bending. I have always wondered why the man, Jesus, looked like his hair was hanging down and not flat. The Shroud is a time capsule waiting for “technology” to unravel. I thank my past self for sticking to my original impressions of the Shroud. Some times it’s wonderful getting older! (HA)

  13. Wonderful interview. Thank you Dr. Silverman. We are in a place where we can all expand our consciousness having nothing to do with organized religion. Jesus represents our own potential if we are willing to make the commitment to grow.

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