What is the real core of the resistance to UAP disclosure? Who is preventing it, and why? Why would Republican congressmen gut the Schumer Amendment given that the congressional move toward disclosure appears to be so bipartisan? And why, given all the public and political support, does the Defense Department and the defense industry continue to stonewall?
In this powerful interview, Whitley and Peter Levenda discuss all this in the context of the revelations in Peter’s 3 volume masterwork Sinister Forces, probably the deepest book of its kind ever published.
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hi whitley, thought you’d be interested in this
whistleblower talking about being told of a reverse-engineered craft that crashed and they coudn’t get working. he seems to be telling the truth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQDO0ZKroQc
you probably saw me post this before. just in case, ill post it here
Yes, I don’t know how reliable the interviewee is, but everyone should watch this video!
If that interview pointed out by Falsetruth is to be taken seriously, then Whitley’s comment that “Lockheed is everywhere” is really right on sport!
And by extension, others, such as GE.
Contrary to what Morris and Stewart are assuming, the photograph isn’t of an airstrip, but rather Lockheed’s Helendale Radar Cross Section Facility, hence its odd shape, radar antennae and large buildings placed at either end of the assembly–something generally considered to be detrimental to the safe operation of a runway.
Although this facility could conceivably be used to house a secret craft like the one Stewart discusses, he doesn’t mention whether or not his contact told him why he gave him a screenshot from Bing maps: this site doesn’t seem like a good candidate for test flights, given its proximity to a populated area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorville_Army_Airfield_auxiliary_fields#Helendale_Avionics_Facility
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/15746/lockheeds-helendale-radar-signature-test-range-looks-right-out-of-science-fiction
I admire you Whitley and I’m sorry your allergies are so bad. So often you drag us into the realm of evil and demonic forces, which immediately causes me to have an allergic reaction. Did your wife not say that we are playing a very serious game down here – and as such there must be both negative and positive energies making up the background to our stage? Can you ask Chris Bledsoe ( and his son Ryan) for an interview just to give us a balance? By the way, I can see how manipulated elements of your government are. What they are doing is monstrous. What a game we are playing!!!!!!!
It would have been great to go deeper into the Synchronicities dealing with sinister forces. This was very important.
I think the interview went on different tangents and did not cover the intent as well as it could have.
Just as there are synchronicities when you work with the light, I can imagine how this happens as well. Please have another interview on this alone!!
There is so much to this topic, that an hour doesn’t do it justice but I agree that the interview did seem to jump from one tangent to another. I was hoping we could get more into Lockheed Martin but Whitley had a nose sniffle and then went ‘off on one’ about his alergies and related stories.
The subject of synchronicities is a fascinating one but I just wonder whether their occurrence is more a byproduct of OUR state of consciousness, rather than dictated by some external influencing force.
Sorry about that! The damn allergies were extremely distracting during that interview and for that I apologize.
I need to find somebody who really knows more about the Lockheed-Martin involvement, in fact about how the whole defense infrastructure relates to this. But that book has not been written yet.
No worries, I know how they can drag the attention!
But the LM topic would indeed be a deeply fascinating one to delve into…if only we could find a good source.
I have not read it, but you may want to check out ‘Prophets of War: Lockheed Martin and the Making of the Military-Industrial Complex’ by William Hartung.
That’s a good suggestion Cosmic. Thanks.
The extensive wikipedia page on Edwards air force base does not mention it, but this is also the place where Eisenhower would have met some aliens in 1954 (or did he go to the dentist ?).
There’s apparently some material on the Edwards-UFO -Eisenhower connection at his presidential library: https://www.eisenhowerlibrary.gov/sites/default/files/2020-11/UFOs%20and%20Flying%20Saucers.pdf
I am reading the book “the hidden nazi” about a top SS commander (Hans Kammler) who was von Braun’s boss back in Germany. Kammler supposedly committed suicide at the end of the war, but the book’s thesis is that he struck a secret deal with the US instead. Apparently, the first contact between Kammler/von Braun and the Americans was through GE. No Lockheed at this point of the book, but I’ll keep you updated…
Also one funny thing about this book (which is not always fun to read, due to the heinous crimes committed by Kammler): I discovered after buying it that, perhaps not coincidentally, one of the authors also wrote a book about UFOs.
I mentioned GE for a reason. My sister and I were comparing notes not long ago about my uncle, who worked as an engineer for GE until he retired. His last assignment with them was out of Edwards Air Force Base.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwards_Air_Force_Base
Previously, he had been stationed in the Air Force in the early 50’s at Walker Air Force Base (Roswell.) After that, he was put through school at the University of Texas, and upon graduation, immediately hired by GE, who stationed him at various places all over the world.
Unfortunately, he passed about the time I had put enough together to begin asking him some serious questions.
A deeply fascinating discussion; I expected no less.
With regard to the possible hybrid son, now I want to chose my words carefully to honour everyone. I was a little disheartened to hear the troubled fellow and his situation referred to as’ horrific’ but I know no ill regard was intended. Deep down, I know that Mr Strieber will have a great deal of compassion for that tortured soul.
Now, I suspect that the little fellow and his strange flatmates were not quite physical transports in the way that that we think of bodies/people. Is it possible that they were what could be loosely referred to as temporary transports to serve a purpose? What do I mean?
Take a look at the Gnome photo captured by a trail cam a few years back.
https://imgur.com/a/pstNJ
You can just make out 2 or maybe 3 orbs in the pic. The Gnome’s cap looks like it grows into being (and the body beneath the cap) projected from the orbs. It’s like growing a mushroom in thin air. I’ve always felt that that trail cam photo was allowed as a gift to demonstrate the elements of projection into the denser physical world.
Also, consider what Native Americans suggest about Sasquatch being a divine creature capable of physical and non physical being. I’m not a smoker, in fact I loathe everything to do with tobacco, it is so incredibly poisonous and vile. Wait, though, look how such a poison would stiffen an immune or nervous system into shock and heighten perception..
Could that be why some of these visitors smoke? To harden physical density and remain manifest longer? I understand only too well what it is like to hear someone else’s thoughts. Castaneda referred to it as the ‘voice of seeing’ and it is not solely the domain of Humans. One can hear animals’ thoughts at times, usually when they are stressed, though this is rarer. No one openly discusses this as the word schizophrenia will obviously be rather quickly banded about and no one wants that.
So, that poor ‘young’ soul. I have the strangest feeling that he is perfectly fine and perfectly divine, inhabiting a higher order of consciousness above us that has spectral vision that many in power here would kill for.. oh, wait, those toxic blinkeroons already do that. Why do otherworldly visitors use some people’s DNA? Some suits, some doesn’t I guess? If you have the ability to perceive more then it may be likely you’ll be of use to someone, especially if your DNA-line is work in progress.
A higher order of consciousness above us. They may be able to come and go, in and out of bodies. I have no inkling if this is true or how long they may be able to present a dense body. Maybe they project their bodies into our minds? Then again, other people see them.. didn’t other people in Mr & Mrs Strieber’s apartment block also see ‘the kid’ and the two evil-looking dudes?
My suggestions are full of holes, clearly. For one, why did the weird ones go door to door trying to sell the furniture? Was it to use the attentive energy of neighbours to hold their snapshot image in this realm longer? They disappeared after that so.. I guess that theory doesn’t fit BUT we should keep asking edgy questions. Keep it all in question, especially things that suit us to believe.
I hold Mr Strieber’s ‘Stories from a Life’ in high regard. I wish they were catalogued and ordered better. Forgive me for piping up but those recordings should be honoured as much as the Communion letters and given their own order of play with clarified explanations. Continuity is, we may all agree, a luxury of day to day life and, when the strange comes calling, it goes right out the window along with a sense of time and place. It’d still be nice to see the ‘Stories from a Life’ archive tidied up though. Am I looking for dogma? No, just feel they could be grouped better. I have listened to those recordings over and over, over many years and they are absolute gold.
Peace.
All wise words Von Hausenberg. Thank you. Yes. The question must always remain open, or we become stuck in our assumptions.
Like the Coffin in the prior episode. It doesn’t necessarily mean that because this Celestial Immensity is a coffin for ‘Them’, doesn’t mean it’s a coffin for us humans. But what are we then? Is it possible for the caterpillar to recognize that the butterfly attending the flowers further up the plant will be its future? Is that even a valid analogy?
I’m blathering.
What I really wanted to respond to is your affection for the “A Day in the Life” series. I agree. They are sooooo good and helpful. Same for the Awakening series and the tarot series. Profoundly helpful, and would be even moreso if they were organized in a manner that made navigating them a little easier. The material has ended up burried in a massive listing of posts. When so much material is valuable and needed, a little more organization would go a long way, especially for those who are new to the website. I’m an old dog here having followed Whitley since I first saw Communion in hardback when it was first released. I still remember my first thought when I saw her face. “Oh yeah, Them.”
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Yes, you too have seen the value of ‘Stories from a Life’ series of recordings. I like your Beatles take on it though, that’s cool.
You’ve also spotted the need for a little, just a little, more care and ordering in their presentation and cataloguing.
Anyone else agree?
Peace.
Whoa, that “gnome” is pretty bizarre.
I’m not sure, but it seems to me that this is the first I’ve heard Whitley say flat out that he believes this strange boy was his and Anne’s son. It must have been infinitely painful for him to watch the kid and be unable to do anything to help him.
I don’t know what to make of that boy and the associated phenomena. I hope you’re right that he wasn’t as messed up or as physical as he appeared. Or at least that he wasn’t truly suffering. If he was a failure, didn’t turn out the way he was supposed to, it’s interesting that They did not simply kill him. It seems like he was intended to give some kind of message to Whitley, but what?
My son with an unknown mother, not Anne. My semen was taken during the December 1985 event. I have no idea what was done with it, but I have come to sense that I may be the father of that poor boy.
‘Poor boy’ is right. In my brief psychic connection with him years ago, it was both bizarre and sad beyond all reason, and I was left in tears…
I seem to remember that in the original “gnome” video, or series of shots, it was running from left to right…so the superimposed features of the gnome can’t be correct, unless it was running backwards!
I still chuckle when I see this…I know I’ve said this more than once on here, but I still think it’s a turkey 🦃😂
Yes, I’ve just checked…it was left to right. Here is the original animated series of shots and story link on UC…
https://www.unknowncountry.com/out-there/the-pennsylvania-gnome-animated/
He is an entirely physical individual. I have been too close to him to think anything else. And what I meant by horrific was his situation. His anguish was truly terrible to see. And there he was dropped in my backyard without so much as a by your leave because I assume he could not be handled. And I abandoned him too.
You didn’t abandon him; he was a messenger. He’s/They’re fine.
They’ve brushed past me in the high street too. Mumbling and saying nothing yet I instantly read their intent.
It’s just life and how the divine touches this world. It has learned to keep a reasonable distance, even if dancing its fingers in density.
Peace.
Did he have Castilian features? I never thought to ask before?
Thick eyebrows and wearing blue? Quite short, with stubby hands?
“And I abandoned him too.”
Whitley, it’s not your fault.
Talking about hearing the thoughts of aminals, I remember getting rid of a wasps nest for my parents, who were just about to sell their house. I did not feel comfortable doing it at all…but as the powder kicked in, I heard a single word in my mind, coming directly from the hive above me…”WHY?”.
That stuck with me a long while…and maybe well it should.
That sounds about right.
Few years back I was stung in the face by a bee that flew into my face as I was driving. I could still hear the buzzing of the hive collective 8 hours later as it pulsed through my mind. It was very subtle though.
We are all connected species whether some of us like to consider it or not. Someone once said, I don’t recall whom, that ‘when you look at an animal someone is looking back’.
Peace.
Ohhh I had a very similar experience to this! Glad I started reading the comments on this thread:) synchronicity💖
Interesting, do you think there are genuinely evil animals?
That is particularly moving to me, because I have had exactly the same experience, and with wasps, too. Their innocent confusion moved me to my core.
I used to give wasps warnings ahead of time when they would build nests in unsafe places that could cause harm to humans, especially near doorways. I would let them know 24 hours in advance. Then I would do my best to destroy the nest with the least amount of loss to the wasps themselves.
Bees? Never a problem, and never stung by them either. I looked forward to when my trees bloomed in spring, then stand right under the trees that literally buzzed! They never came after me, and the feeling was one of contentment.
Intent is important, and whenever we’ve been forced to kill a wasp for health and safety, we apologize.
I believe you’ve mentioned this here quite some time ago. It stuck with me to say the least, because I literally speak to the Yellowjackets nesting on my house in the summer. I verbally tell them, “You do you, and I’ll do me. Stay as long as you like.”
I tried that very thing. It works to an extent, but you must not get too close.
Agreed. I acknowledge them every morning…but not too close.
They have wasp stuff to do, and I have people stuff to do. So far, our agreement has held.
Thank you both for shedding light (Consciousness) on the dark side (ignorance, illusion, and delusion), because darkness fades in the light.
We have all heard of the hitchhiker effect from Skinwalker Ranch. Clearly identifying that Project Paperclip was an importation of a huge hitchhiker presence was profound: whether thought of as dark entities, a sick viral world view infection that spread, or both.
This is such a strange and interesting topic, that seems to be describing two mirror opposite realities…
On the one hand, we have a science of the soul…focusing on the elevation of ones spirit, allowing ascension from a base towards the heavens…assisted by benevolent forces.
On the other hand, we have a science of the material world…focusing on physical elevation, lifting us from the Earth into the Space beyond…assisted by potentially malevolent forces.
As if, when an inward virtuous plan is denied, the desire for elevation is still yearned for…but can only be satiated with a dangerous parody, a black mirror if you will, of the original spiritual quest.
To echo some of the above comments, I too wish this interview was longer and I also hope that Mr. Levenda’s book is published as an audio. It was a very interesting interview indeed.
I had a dream last night after listening to this interview, and having watched on the same day a documentary about the artist Eric Ravilious.
Mr. Ravilious’s work interests me, but I had not heard of him before. I downloaded the documentary on Friday but didn’t get around to it until Saturday. I watched half, fell asleep during it, and then listened to Dreamland. I watched the rest of the doco before bed last night.
The dream let me know many things along the way to confirm a lot of the material Mr. Levenda discussed. I am less sold on the angelic/demonic relegations, thinking that this extends from our Western Christian programming and is retarding our ability to look at the phenomenon properly.
The synch came later in learning in the doco that Eric Ravilious disappeared in an aeroplane during WWII somewhere off the coast of Iceland. The Wikipedia entry says that it was a Lockard plane he was flying in.
The dream involved one of Eric’s woodcuts, an association with crop circles, and the Duat (the next world where the dead live and where this phenomenon seems to be emerging from).
Great discussion and comments all round. Seems to me that the divine dances into density of its own accord, likely out of necessity, and swiftly sidesteps out of our realm.
Allergies? It’ll pass. Throw some turmeric and black pepper in your tea. It’ll ease.
Peace.
I can understand that disclosure has been and continues to be suppressed in the US. However, what about the rest of the world? What and where has more open disclosure occurred and if so why does the US public not know about it? I know that former Canadian minister of national defence, Paul Hellyer, has been open about his beliefs but what he actually knows, beyond speculation, I am not sure. How has this subject been kept under wraps world wide?
In France there was the publication of the Cometa report in 1999
(https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapport_COMETA).
It was written by an informal group of experts, several of which had connections to the airforce or the aeorospace industry. But the report was met mostly by ridicule from the so-called “serious media”, and as a result the authors of the report basically gave up.
A lot of things go on worldwide that we never hear about. A lot. And not just UFOS. Our military has taken over much of it, and it’s all about us, right? If you do lots of research, you know otherwise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings
https://www.newsweek.com/ufo-spotter-governments-this-year-2023-unidentified-flying-objects-us-russia-china-1781004
The phenomena reminds me of the premise behind 2001 a space odyssey. An advanced power spurs our evolution along, although not as subtle as the movie.
The Focke-Wulf jet engine being inspired by a crashed UFO was new to me. A perfect example of a cargo cult as Peter suggests. It’s humbling to think we are that far behind. Maybe our sense of right and wrong, good and evil, is primitive too.
So here’s my update: right at the end of the war,
who was the the American officer in charge of exploiting the goodies left behind by von Braun at the Nordhausen V2 factory? You guessed it : he was a former Lockheed president! This is again from the book “the hidden nazi”.
von Braun and the whole Operation Paperclip…As a kid, I loved to watch ‘The Wonderful World of Disney’, and I remember the episodes featuring von Braun and space travel. There was a part of me that wondered about it, because it was a show that aired after Walter Cronkite’s ‘The 20th Century’, a show that also featured the history of WWII. So at a young age I was already confused about all of it. And von Braun was the one responsible for the V-2 rocket used against the British and other allies.
The late Jim Marrs was ahead of the curve (and Peter Levenda) with his ‘The Rise of the Fourth Reich’, published in 2009.
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana
https://www.pbs.org/video/nazi-town-usa-y4vqkt/
I’m just watching it now, but I wanted to pop in and ask, “Who was happy to hear some of the spiritual multi-dimensional practices mentioned, albeit in passing, like the MerKaBa?”
I’ve first learned the MerKaBa over 15 years ago and it does allow you travel in consciousness and to make contact. The groups I’ve been in contact with are not at all menacing. In fact, they’ve been quite loving in general. Of course, I meet them from a position of knowing my own sovereignty, which makes a difference in how we engage. However, even in my youth or younger adulthood, they were always respectful. if there was fear on my part, they backed off. If there was love, there was engagement.
That being said, I do feel it’s naive to think ALL non-human sentient races are loving. It’s also naive to come from the fear angle and think they are all bad. This vast cosmos in which we reside is teeming with sentience and it is ALL in a state of evolution, no?
Anyway, my core question that I wanted to ask of the group: Is there anybody else pleased to hear some spiritual practices mentioned without a fear dogma attached to it?