Recently I had a very frightening experience with the visitors. It was intentionally induced by them and led to them backing off from a relationship that has recently become very much closer and is the treasure of my life. I was bereft, but this time I was not left in the dark about why I had reacted with such fear to what they did, or what their motives were. The reason is that I have Anne on the other side, and she offered what I believe to be an insight into the situation that is of fundamental importance.

She said to stop addressing them with my emotions. “Look at their presence here objectively. Our relationship with them is like a mandala of dark and light. They are the dark side, and it is in the dark that we find knowledge. Ours is the light, and it is in the light that they find understanding.”

They are here looking to get something from us that is to them the most precious of all treasures: new experience. We are looking to get from them what we need the most, which is more knowledge. So there is the potential for a relationship, but only if we take the emotional charge out of it can it grow.

This does not mean that the fear will evaporate. It will never evaporate, and in fact it would be a shame if it did. It can be made into a tool which we can use to see more deeply into ourselves and into our relationship with them, thus gaining more knowledge. And in watching our struggle, they can gain more understanding.
This is both why they are so frightening, and also why so many of us sense deeply that their presence in our world is a gift. It works both ways. Their gift for us is knowledge. Ours for them is novelty.

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  1. I had just read this verse
    I had just read this verse before feeling the need to go to UC.

    “And the light shineth in the the darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.”
    John 1:5

    weird

    1. Astute
      Astute

  2. I had just read this verse
    I had just read this verse before feeling the need to go to UC.

    “And the light shineth in the the darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.”
    John 1:5

    weird

    1. Astute
      Astute

  3. Terence McKenna spoke of
    Terence McKenna spoke of novelty in relationship with dimethyltryptamine.
    Rick Strassman’s patients were aware of mechanical entities on synthetic DMT. Plant based DMT was associated with more organic-like entities.
    Is there a relationship between close encounters and DMT?
    How is novelty available to them? Through our noticing them?

  4. Terence McKenna spoke of
    Terence McKenna spoke of novelty in relationship with dimethyltryptamine.
    Rick Strassman’s patients were aware of mechanical entities on synthetic DMT. Plant based DMT was associated with more organic-like entities.
    Is there a relationship between close encounters and DMT?
    How is novelty available to them? Through our noticing them?

  5. And this certainly points to
    And this certainly points to the notion I’ve had for years that the beings we call the “visitors,” or the “grays,” and to an extent the “kobold” squat bluish beings seen so often with them, whether or not either of them are of extraterrestrial origin or not, are of, at least to us, extraordinarily ancient origin. Far older in age than humanity by fantastically large orders of magnitude.

    Concomitant with that is that with their knowledge and experience as beings that have been growing and learning for eons, they have become, to use a “human” term, extraordinarily jaded.

    One question though: Why is their point of origin, now, from “wherever” or indeed whenever, or both, they are, from a place of darkness? And a corollary to that. If so, did they once exist in a realm of light but have gone down, perhaps long, long ago, a very dark and dangerous path as beings? And if that is so…was it for knowledge?. Perhaps to understand the entire mystery of the firmament, all of reality, they needed to fully understand its darkness as well as its light.

    And perhaps they never returned from that darkness. But are awaiting us to take them back to it in new and novel ways, having plumbed the pits of occluded and sinister realities. Gaining knowledge, yes, but also completely losing their innocence as beings.

    –SV

  6. And this certainly points to
    And this certainly points to the notion I’ve had for years that the beings we call the “visitors,” or the “grays,” and to an extent the “kobold” squat bluish beings seen so often with them, whether or not either of them are of extraterrestrial origin or not, are of, at least to us, extraordinarily ancient origin. Far older in age than humanity by fantastically large orders of magnitude.

    Concomitant with that is that with their knowledge and experience as beings that have been growing and learning for eons, they have become, to use a “human” term, extraordinarily jaded.

    One question though: Why is their point of origin, now, from “wherever” or indeed whenever, or both, they are, from a place of darkness? And a corollary to that. If so, did they once exist in a realm of light but have gone down, perhaps long, long ago, a very dark and dangerous path as beings? And if that is so…was it for knowledge?. Perhaps to understand the entire mystery of the firmament, all of reality, they needed to fully understand its darkness as well as its light.

    And perhaps they never returned from that darkness. But are awaiting us to take them back to it in new and novel ways, having plumbed the pits of occluded and sinister realities. Gaining knowledge, yes, but also completely losing their innocence as beings.

    –SV

  7. And of course the inevitable
    And of course the inevitable final question here.

    Will we go down the same path of deep darkness and courting or becoming evil in the process, gaining total knowledge with their help that we can only begin to understand and grasp now, and some not even imaginable to us, at least…for now?

    It could be a VERY slippery slope ahead indeed for humanity’s deep evolutionary future.

    –SV

  8. And of course the inevitable
    And of course the inevitable final question here.

    Will we go down the same path of deep darkness and courting or becoming evil in the process, gaining total knowledge with their help that we can only begin to understand and grasp now, and some not even imaginable to us, at least…for now?

    It could be a VERY slippery slope ahead indeed for humanity’s deep evolutionary future.

    –SV

  9. This may explain why, when I
    This may explain why, when I experience certain highly emotional or deep feelings, I hear them saying in my head, “This is why we watch you.”

  10. This may explain why, when I
    This may explain why, when I experience certain highly emotional or deep feelings, I hear them saying in my head, “This is why we watch you.”

  11. I sure would like to know the
    I sure would like to know the scary details of the encounter.

  12. I sure would like to know the
    I sure would like to know the scary details of the encounter.

  13. Something I learned recently;
    Something I learned recently; the greys seem to be perplexed and almost mystified by our way of going from being completely calm one millisecond to being completely crazed or scared or terrified the next millisecond. I think I remember the being saying it was very confusing and very hard to predict.

    Anyone reading this; be sure to hear the complete discussion with the grey being here:
    https://youtu.be/-WjEIZNGnFE
    There is a part 2 also. You can arrange to speak to the being and make your own decision as to it being legit.

  14. Something I learned recently;
    Something I learned recently; the greys seem to be perplexed and almost mystified by our way of going from being completely calm one millisecond to being completely crazed or scared or terrified the next millisecond. I think I remember the being saying it was very confusing and very hard to predict.

    Anyone reading this; be sure to hear the complete discussion with the grey being here:
    https://youtu.be/-WjEIZNGnFE
    There is a part 2 also. You can arrange to speak to the being and make your own decision as to it being legit.

  15. I wonder if it had to do with
    I wonder if it had to do with the Dreamland show just past ?

  16. I wonder if it had to do with
    I wonder if it had to do with the Dreamland show just past ?

  17. Whit,
    Have you tried Metta

    Whit,
    Have you tried Metta with them? I’m thinking that it could help them…..

  18. Whit,
    Have you tried Metta

    Whit,
    Have you tried Metta with them? I’m thinking that it could help them…..

  19. An easy life here doesn’t
    An easy life here doesn’t prepare you for intent obstacles in the hereafter

  20. An easy life here doesn’t
    An easy life here doesn’t prepare you for intent obstacles in the hereafter

  21. Well said Anne, our
    Well said Anne, our dimensional friends are like Zen Masters so if in our minds we slapped them they slap us in their expression and so we must free our energy reserves and have our reflexes be that of healing response and not adverserial combacks.. that way we can accept and resolve their responses.
    Now I would like to approach a delicate subject. There has been genetic harvesting of our closest and dearest pets. These are in a sense honored by cloning and Rejuvenation … but in all fairness. might we be offered replacement clones of our pets and livestock as a peace offering?

  22. Well said Anne, our
    Well said Anne, our dimensional friends are like Zen Masters so if in our minds we slapped them they slap us in their expression and so we must free our energy reserves and have our reflexes be that of healing response and not adverserial combacks.. that way we can accept and resolve their responses.
    Now I would like to approach a delicate subject. There has been genetic harvesting of our closest and dearest pets. These are in a sense honored by cloning and Rejuvenation … but in all fairness. might we be offered replacement clones of our pets and livestock as a peace offering?

  23. Emotions! How to deal with
    Emotions! How to deal with them so that they do not pull me into the patterns? The fear: fight, flight, play dead. Being triggered to enact these patterns, even in a subtle way, will contaminate the ability of body to take in clear information. It is alright to get blurry if one is running away from a tiger or closing down the life-system as a bear starts chewing one’s face. But the emotions want to run their course even when the real situation is not calling for them. Been to some workshops by an autistic lady who has an uncanny ability to see the behaviour patterns in us – as she is not swayed by emotions at all, the world looks different for her. How to let the emotion remain in the energetic level? Taking note, but remaining in consciousness, avoiding the reaction-pattern that defuses the energy of emotion in a way that is not useful.

  24. Emotions! How to deal with
    Emotions! How to deal with them so that they do not pull me into the patterns? The fear: fight, flight, play dead. Being triggered to enact these patterns, even in a subtle way, will contaminate the ability of body to take in clear information. It is alright to get blurry if one is running away from a tiger or closing down the life-system as a bear starts chewing one’s face. But the emotions want to run their course even when the real situation is not calling for them. Been to some workshops by an autistic lady who has an uncanny ability to see the behaviour patterns in us – as she is not swayed by emotions at all, the world looks different for her. How to let the emotion remain in the energetic level? Taking note, but remaining in consciousness, avoiding the reaction-pattern that defuses the energy of emotion in a way that is not useful.

  25. Many are bereft in this
    Many are bereft in this country. The politics has left a vacuum of goodness and comaderie between a lot of us.
    Hate is no longer a thing we talk about. It has creapt into our lives and the relationships we have with friends and relatives. It is palpable. The taste of it it, gagging when we look at friends and people we love and realize they have chosen a path that will fracture our country.
    It made me think about this very subject. Whitley calls it the Light and the Dark paths.
    One path leads to knowledge. The other path leads to love. It occurred to me that death can file you in different levels of perception of Light and Dark.
    Ultimately only one path leads you to light. That path is love. When you attain love. The hate is not allowed in the highest Light path. The knowledge of the Dark path is left behind and not allowed where there is love.
    So all the discord we feel for the hate that has been nurtured in this world will ultimately be left behind to rot in this place.
    Love is the Creator, the spark of life, the reason we go through the hoops. Love is the hardest thing we do . It is also the easiest.

  26. Many are bereft in this
    Many are bereft in this country. The politics has left a vacuum of goodness and comaderie between a lot of us.
    Hate is no longer a thing we talk about. It has creapt into our lives and the relationships we have with friends and relatives. It is palpable. The taste of it it, gagging when we look at friends and people we love and realize they have chosen a path that will fracture our country.
    It made me think about this very subject. Whitley calls it the Light and the Dark paths.
    One path leads to knowledge. The other path leads to love. It occurred to me that death can file you in different levels of perception of Light and Dark.
    Ultimately only one path leads you to light. That path is love. When you attain love. The hate is not allowed in the highest Light path. The knowledge of the Dark path is left behind and not allowed where there is love.
    So all the discord we feel for the hate that has been nurtured in this world will ultimately be left behind to rot in this place.
    Love is the Creator, the spark of life, the reason we go through the hoops. Love is the hardest thing we do . It is also the easiest.

  27. “So all the discord we feel
    “So all the discord we feel for the hate that has been nurtured in this world will ultimately be left behind to rot in this place.”

    Anyone with gardening experience knows that for anything to grow, you need compost. Rotting material is what makes new growth possible. In this place, growth needs soil, compost, seeds, light. Only light? Only one path? Maybe it is truth for someone. Not for a gardener, though.

  28. “So all the discord we feel
    “So all the discord we feel for the hate that has been nurtured in this world will ultimately be left behind to rot in this place.”

    Anyone with gardening experience knows that for anything to grow, you need compost. Rotting material is what makes new growth possible. In this place, growth needs soil, compost, seeds, light. Only light? Only one path? Maybe it is truth for someone. Not for a gardener, though.

  29. I wonder about many things.
    I wonder about many things. Why am i here was one of the first and perhaps, most important questions i asked. Being a persistent one, i kept asking for a long time… daily and even more than once a day.

    I was given an answer. (i asked in prayerful/meditative state over a period of many years, and was answered the same way) I was a child, and understood as a child… for exactly what the words were… and pursued that for many years. The answer: a teacher.

    So i became a school teacher.

    Over the years, i came to understand many facets and saw that maybe i was the student AND the teacher. There was only one lesson to become… love or One with love, or One Love, or…. as many ways as it can be understood, experienced, and shared, given…

    Now, of course, i am just a student… primary level, in the great garden in which i am a sharecropper. The fruit is to be given away, no charge. Except, of course, the expectations that i am so very slowly learning to let go. It isn’t up to me who, or why, or what others do with love. They must become gardeners too, and TAKE it for themselves, only to share it in the ways they are given in life.

    I suspect that the garden may be love… and the various things like “sun, rain, weeding, etc that gardeners do… are actually the way i am with and for others. The fruit of the garden…. maybe joy, truth, faith, understanding, compassion…. and honestly… i have a long way to go… much work still, to become who i am.

    Eugene said it all in his last 3 sentences… And all the other posts as well…

  30. I wonder about many things.
    I wonder about many things. Why am i here was one of the first and perhaps, most important questions i asked. Being a persistent one, i kept asking for a long time… daily and even more than once a day.

    I was given an answer. (i asked in prayerful/meditative state over a period of many years, and was answered the same way) I was a child, and understood as a child… for exactly what the words were… and pursued that for many years. The answer: a teacher.

    So i became a school teacher.

    Over the years, i came to understand many facets and saw that maybe i was the student AND the teacher. There was only one lesson to become… love or One with love, or One Love, or…. as many ways as it can be understood, experienced, and shared, given…

    Now, of course, i am just a student… primary level, in the great garden in which i am a sharecropper. The fruit is to be given away, no charge. Except, of course, the expectations that i am so very slowly learning to let go. It isn’t up to me who, or why, or what others do with love. They must become gardeners too, and TAKE it for themselves, only to share it in the ways they are given in life.

    I suspect that the garden may be love… and the various things like “sun, rain, weeding, etc that gardeners do… are actually the way i am with and for others. The fruit of the garden…. maybe joy, truth, faith, understanding, compassion…. and honestly… i have a long way to go… much work still, to become who i am.

    Eugene said it all in his last 3 sentences… And all the other posts as well…

  31. In old biographies of
    In old biographies of Catholic Saints we sometimes encounter views of strange apparitions mostly explained as either apparitions of angels, or saints or as apparitions of evil spirits or the devil. We have, of course, to read through the religious biases we find in these stories.
    Your contact with the visitors is neither.
    Still in respect to fear St. Philippus Nerius remarked that “true visions or apparitions generate first fear and then in later phases bring bliss and peace of the soul; while false visions do the opposite.” That is to say they start almost unnoticed and end in absolute terror.
    There may be a grain of truth there, because you experience great fear but also at another stage you had an angelic experience.
    I think we have to distinguish two kinds of darkness, if that is not an contradiction in terms. One aspect is the darkness of the night. It serves as an example because this darkness is natural and normal, necessary for the universe to exist. Still this darkness can be fearful.
    The other is the darkness of the evil and demonic. It is destructive.
    My impression from your writings is that the visitors with whom you have contact are not destructive in the evil sense.

  32. In old biographies of
    In old biographies of Catholic Saints we sometimes encounter views of strange apparitions mostly explained as either apparitions of angels, or saints or as apparitions of evil spirits or the devil. We have, of course, to read through the religious biases we find in these stories.
    Your contact with the visitors is neither.
    Still in respect to fear St. Philippus Nerius remarked that “true visions or apparitions generate first fear and then in later phases bring bliss and peace of the soul; while false visions do the opposite.” That is to say they start almost unnoticed and end in absolute terror.
    There may be a grain of truth there, because you experience great fear but also at another stage you had an angelic experience.
    I think we have to distinguish two kinds of darkness, if that is not an contradiction in terms. One aspect is the darkness of the night. It serves as an example because this darkness is natural and normal, necessary for the universe to exist. Still this darkness can be fearful.
    The other is the darkness of the evil and demonic. It is destructive.
    My impression from your writings is that the visitors with whom you have contact are not destructive in the evil sense.

  33. I live from love, by love,
    I live from love, by love, for love, with love, to love, in love. Dark and light, creation and destruction, are all necessary. I am not sure about love and hate or good and evil. Just as plants reach up for light, so do they also reach down in the darkness for nutrients. Just as we need light energy, so too do we need darkness to cool down, recuperate and process that which energy has brought us. Without destruction, creation would soon be completed in eternally unchanging crystals. Maybe permanence is desirable outside of time. In time, we need to face all sides. I choose to face them with love, at least I strive to, even in fear.

  34. I live from love, by love,
    I live from love, by love, for love, with love, to love, in love. Dark and light, creation and destruction, are all necessary. I am not sure about love and hate or good and evil. Just as plants reach up for light, so do they also reach down in the darkness for nutrients. Just as we need light energy, so too do we need darkness to cool down, recuperate and process that which energy has brought us. Without destruction, creation would soon be completed in eternally unchanging crystals. Maybe permanence is desirable outside of time. In time, we need to face all sides. I choose to face them with love, at least I strive to, even in fear.

  35. Hey,
    Well said Anne, our

    Hey,
    Well said Anne, our dimensional friends are like Zen Masters so if in our minds we slapped them they slap us in their expression and so we must free our energy reserves and have our reflexes be that of healing response and not adversarial comeback.. that way we can accept and resolve their responses.
    typical behavior problems
    N-Typ-Solarzellen

  36. Hey,
    Well said Anne, our

    Hey,
    Well said Anne, our dimensional friends are like Zen Masters so if in our minds we slapped them they slap us in their expression and so we must free our energy reserves and have our reflexes be that of healing response and not adversarial comeback.. that way we can accept and resolve their responses.
    typical behavior problems
    N-Typ-Solarzellen

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