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Deb Kauble is perhaps better known by her pseudonym "Kathy Davis" in Budd Hopkins’ book Intruders. Most of us are familiar with what she experienced in the 1980s, but what does she make of it all now these many decades later? On this episode, Deb shares her experiences and her thoughts on Visitor phenomena and the link between those beings, paranormal phenomena, and the afterlife. This one goes deep and at angles you won’t hear elsewhere, as we take a look back at the life of one of the most famous abductees of our time.


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Budd Hopkins died on August 21 after a years-long struggle with cancer. He will be little remarked outside of the small community of witnesses and researchers who care about the great enigma that is the hidden center of the human experience, but the work he did in this world and on behalf of mankind was of incalculable importance and I hope one day that his achievement will be honored in the manner it deserves.
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In recent months, serious questions have been raised about the validity of the abduction research of
David Jacobs and Budd Hopkins. Jeremy Vaeni has been following this controversy, and here Whitley Strieber asks him just what has happened to raise questions about their research methods and conclusions. For anyone interested in the close encounter and abduction phenomena, this is a very important and informative interview. How real is it all? Has the research been done correctly? If not, are we to dismiss the very idea of abduction, or is there another way of looking at the whole phenomenon that is, perhaps, closer to the truth?

This is a provocative, insightful look into a very thorny and controversial subject.
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