Debra Jordan-Kauble is the author of Extraordinary Contact: Life Beyond Intruders. This remarkable book goes far beyond the headlines and clickbait in this new era of UFO reporting. This book is her journey, and it plays out as remarkably hopeful. Deb was the central figure in Budd Hopkins’ important 1987read more

Debra Jordan-Kauble was the “Kathie Davis” of Budd Hopkins’ classic book of abduction, “Intruders.” Here, she joins Whitley for one of the most moving and inspirational editions of Dreamland that we have ever recorded. Whitley considers Debbie’s new book a classic of its kind, and if this interview is anyread more

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Deb Kauble is perhaps better known by her pseudonym "Kathy Davis" in Budd Hopkins’ book Intruders. Most of us are familiar with what she experienced in the 1980s, but what does she make of it all now these many decades later? On this episode, Deb shares her experiences and her thoughts on Visitor phenomena and the link between those beings, paranormal phenomena, and the afterlife. This one goes deep and at angles you won’t hear elsewhere, as we take a look back at the life of one of the most famous abductees of our time.

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Budd Hopkins died on August 21 after a years-long struggle with cancer. He will be little remarked outside of the small community of witnesses and researchers who care about the great enigma that is the hidden center of the human experience, but the work he did in this world and on behalf of mankind was of incalculable importance and I hope one day that his achievement will be honored in the manner it deserves.
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