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Deb Kauble is perhaps better known by her pseudonym "Kathy Davis" in Budd Hopkins’ book Intruders. Most of us are familiar with what she experienced in the 1980s, but what does she make of it all now these many decades later? On this episode, Deb shares her experiences and her thoughts on Visitor phenomena and the link between those beings, paranormal phenomena, and the afterlife. This one goes deep and at angles you won’t hear elsewhere, as we take a look back at the life of one of the most famous abductees of our time.