Dreamland is on Thanksgiving Hiatus this week. Get ready for a great new show next week: Kelly Chase interviews Daniel Elizondo. Daniel is the co-author of Loose Threads, which is one of the most remarkable and revelatory pieces of work that has been done in terms of understanding the history of ufology and how it relates to the current disclosure movement.
Meanwhile, if you haven’t listened to this week’s show, don’t miss it! Barbara Hand Clow joins us with a devastating look at once into the distant past when a great civilization was overtaken by a catastrophe so tremendous that it left us in a state of amnesia and ushered in a dark age known as the Kali Yuga. Then she shifts into the present, drawing on her Cherokee ancestry and her own powerful channeled information from her personal Pleiadian connection, she lays out her expectations for the future and details how we can both protect ourselves and raise our consciousness in response to what is about to happen. The show ranges from her contact experiences to an extraordinary story of tunnels that have been found in Romania and Iraq and what they may mean. (Whitley makes a surprising comment about the Iraq tunnels…) She also predicts changes that are coming right now, in the next few months.
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Two of the books mentioned in the show are The Yuga Shift and Transylvanian Sunrise.
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I’ve just got in from work after a long and very cold week here in the UK. When I saw that this show was up I could barely contain my zeal.
I’ll listen to the show Sat morning as I have done for 20 years and I know this will be a humdinger. The shift in energy in the air this past 12 months is incredible.
Peace.
Excellent discussion. Thank you both!
I have not been disappointed with this show. While it’s a wet and dreary morning here in the UK, I have my heating on and the to & fro between Barbara and Whitley is delightful. Thank you both for this. Much needed.
Peace.
Whitley, I can tell you the most likely reason why the intelligence community wanted to get in touch with you at the time of the Irak war: it was a sales job.
They wanted to sell the war to your audience by conflating the place where Saddam Hussein hid his alleged WMD with some fantastic new age theory about an intercontinental network of underground tunnels. It might not be a huge audience, but light gains make a heavy purse. For a wider audience, there was Colin Powell at the United Nations.
I think you were right to decline their request at the time, but I’m not sure you made the right choice with this week’s guest. It was a lot of conspiracy theories, all the way to the “covid sham”…
I can’t get any of the links to work. Even tried a different browser. Anyone else having problems?
I also had some problems with the links.
Yes. I ended up going to the YouTube version.
I read ‘Alchemy of the Nine Dimensions’ about 20 years ago. I’ve pulled it off of the shelf and will be reading it again. I listened to this interview yesterday, and I’m listening to it now for the second time. I was able to follow along yesterday easily because of my familiarity with all this.
Suffice to say that I am revisiting so much that has gone on with me for many years. Of course, the ‘why’ of it all has always been there too. I have tried not to come to any conclusions, just preferring to let it all unfold, knowing the answers may come—just when they are meant to.
Regarding the tunnels and Romania, Egypt, Tibet, etc.
Romanian Space Time Portal to Tibet & Egypt’s Hall of Records – Interview with Peter Moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jABOVfMKLkM
Regarding the “covid sham”: I’m pretty sure it is not a sham. It’s real, still with us, killing many, and with surprises down the line for those who have had it, health-wise. It’s after effects over the long term have affected those in my family, and in different ways. It is kind of bizarre. I worked in public health, and it really is not like anything we’ve seen before. And because of a fear of vaccines, mistrust in medicine, politics, what-have-you, it’s with us for a long time to come. What I would like to hear from Barbara is her take and clarification on why it is a “sham”. 2020 for her is apparently also some kind of marker in the timeline.
A lot to digest and sort out with this one…
CL, yes! I’d love to know why Barbara said COVID is a sham, as well. In fact, since I’m down the road from her in Albuquerque, I’d like to drive up to Santa Fe (if she still lives there) and ask her in person! Her flip dismissal was a nasty slap in the face to the millions who are mourning family and friends who died of this disease and to those who are suffering from Long COVID with no end in sight. For me this calls everything else she said into question.
I had my second case of COVID in July, and being flattened for days with it and the two months of fatigue and shortness of breath afterward were NOT a sham.
A dear friend had a terrible case early on in the pandemic, with such severe neurological damage that she was paralyzed and unable to speak. It took 1 1/2 years to get back to anything like normal. Then she caught it again this past summer, and since her brain was already compromised it caused a stroke! Would Barbara laugh that off as unreal?
A number of patients of mine have had lasting damage. (Fortunately they have been improving.) Any of us in health care can tell you just how real and devastating it is. And don’t forget that those who worked in hospitals during the worst of it were risking their own lives and health.
Both as a health care professional and as a bereaved wife, I am outraged at this casual negating of a worldwide disaster. She can say whatever she wants about the origin of the virus, but she can’t say it’s not real.
For the record, I also channel and do energy healing and medical intuitive work. So I have that kind of cred as well as the medical science cred. That’s where I’m coming from when I say all this.
I often wonder what people think happened if it wasn’t that. That’s never very clear.
Thanks, Whitley. Honestly I would like to know what she thinks it actually was, if not a real pandemic.
Me too. It was most certainly not a sham for my family.
I’ve had Covid twice and thankfully recovered. I know because I tested positive twice. If you think it’s a hoax doesn’t that mean the test kits are a hoax and the vaccines as well? The mental gymnastics you have to go through gets crazy, then of coarse the whole idea does. Then if you know people who died that tested positive, the question becomes, they died from what? Frankly I see it as a screen to test a persons credibility. That doesn’t mean everything they say is wrong but it does qualify it.
My partner and I have managed to escape COVID, so far. We do go out in public and do things, but we’re still mindful. We’re fully vaccinated and in crowds, we wear masks. One family member escaped COVID until last year, when her youngest child brought it home from school. This year she started having digestive problems and found out that she has developed so many food allergies, it’s unreal. (Olive oil, sugar, and a long list of other things.)
So…I really would like to know what Barbara is talking about.
My experience of covid as a non-health professional was dramatically different from yours. I only got one J&J vax early on then six months later got a mild case that lasted a week without difficulties or aftereffects. My friend who I live with has had the mRNA vaxes with all updates and brought home a case about four months ago. I got it and experienced mild cold like symptoms with a recovery of about a week, same with her. I don’t know what to think about this virus when I’m unvaxxed effectively and she is fully vaxxed. I don’t practice any protective measures other than taking my nutritional supplements. Very sorry for your difficulties and losses.
Thank you for the interesting link. I’m dismayed at the Covid denial. It makes me want to disregard the whole interview honestly. I have occasionally dipped into Barbara’s books over the decades, but always end up putting them down because I’ve never liked the writing and I have always had an intuitive feeling that it was not worth my time; However, I was intrigued by the description of this interview and wanted to revisit her views yet again. I do think there is something to the traumatization of humanity going back to deep history epochs And I do think that that has impacted our neurochemistry and perception and how we function which has steered the evolution of our species and the world that we have created. in my opinion, and many ways, it is a negative type of evolution for us, in other words, not our hardest road. I plan to begin a book on this very soon in which I am going to compile decades of studies and this is a core premise of that work. Whether or not Covid escaped the lab, which I think is likely, and/or was engineered, does not really change the reality of it and the effects of it. denying that to me shows a type of impairment that is a big part of the problem.
Sorry! That was supposed to be our “highest” not “hardest” road.
Thank you all for weighing in on her statement that “Covid was a sham”. It startled, angered and saddened me. I am a physician. I work in emergency departments. Myself and colleagues ran straight toward it, doing our best when we had little knowledge on how to treat it. People died. It was tragic for so many.
Thank you all for bringing this up. I don’t normally have people on who are Covid deniers. I did not know she was such. But also once they are on I generally do not censor their comments.
Interview with Bibhu Dev Misra: Yuga Shift – the cycle of Ages and our evolutionary journey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHAs3TouI2k&t=1133s
I recently cleaned out my bookcase and gave away a lot of books that I thought I would never read again. For some reason, I kept Barbara Hand Clow’s The Paleiadain Agenda. I don’t believe in coincidence so I think the new book showing up now was not by accident. I just ordered it.
There are seven (not six) primary/visible stars in the Pleiades: Alcyone, Asterope, Celaeno, Electra, Maia, Merope, and Taygete, although only sharp-eyed people can see the seventh without binoculars or telescope. There are, however, more than 1000 stars in the Pleiades cluster. Our sun is definitely not part of that system; the Pleiades are roughly 440 light years away, thousands of stars lie closer to our system. The main Pleiades are young stars, about 100 million years old, while our Sun is 4.6 billion years old.
I started reading based on this discussion, and saw that Pleione, the faintest star in the group, varies in brightness, so likely has been more visible at some times than others.
https://earthsky.org/favorite-star-patterns/pleiades-star-cluster-enjoys-worldwide-renown/
Another source mentioned that it may have been further from the rest of the group from our point of view, on the order of 100,000 years ago, which might have made it easier to see with the naked eye.
The youth of these stars is interesting, since we are so often told of beings coming “from the Pleiades.” I know that’s been discussed here in the past. Not enough time for complex life forms to have developed. But I can think of ways around that issue– nonphysical beings? different universe? Or simply from the general direction of the Pleiades but not a planet belonging to one of those stars? I’d love to know what being a Pleiadean really means.
They’re not readily visible to someone with normal vision. The first person to comment on this odd disparity in the western world was Arasus of Soli in the 4th Century BC. In Japan they are called the Subarus, that is to say, the six. This is because only six stars can be seen.
Here is a good short article on the mysterious Baalbek megaliths, which includes striking photos and what Mark Twain wrote when he visited.
https://www.theancientconnection.com/megaliths/lebanon/baalbek/
It seems like there is a lot of agreement that nobody knows who put those original foundation megaliths there, or how. The building the Romans constructed on top of them seems less impossible but it’s still awe-inspiring.
The whole question of whether humans are gradually improving in their intelligence, skills and most importantly wisdom, or have deteriorated over time, is an interesting one. I can’t find anything that says humans as a whole (not just certain populations) have gotten shorter or have lower cranial capacity, other than a drop in size when agriculture was developed during the Neolithic period.
That question underlies a lot of the political conflict we see today. Conservatives tend to believe that there was a glorious past to which we need to return, whereas liberals tend to believe that things weren’t that great in the past and we can and should do better in the future.
We may be missing evidence that was destroyed in a great cataclysm, as discussed in this podcast. But from what we can see of the evidence from paleontology and archeology, and that goes back well before modern humans came on the scene, there was no perfect time in which humans were not beset by disease. And the evidence also indicates that humans were quite violent toward each other.
If there were ever a Golden Age, perhaps it occurred in some alternate reality or on a different planet. Likely not this one.
Elene, you may want to read ‘From Light into Darkness’ by Stephen Mehler. He wrote the book with assistance from the late Abd’el Hakim Awyan, a great, indigenous Wisdom Keeper of the oral traditions of ‘Khemit’ (Ancient Egypt).
I don’t feel that where we are now is highly evolved. Some individuals are, but mankind as a whole? Probably not. We have technology, great scientific discoveries, etc., but I I’m not sure that we are any less violent, it’s just channeled in different ways, through wars, oppression…and politics.
I believe you were referring to Bibhu Dev Misra, one of my favorites!
If anyone is interested, you can read ‘Transylvanian Sunrise’ here…
https://archive.org/details/transylvanian-sunrise-by-radu-cinamar-transylvanian-series-book-1
“…In 2003, a remarkable and unprecedented archaeological discovery was made in the Bucegi Mountains of Romania. Hidden in these mountains near the border of Transylvania, there is an ancient sphinx which rests amongst other picturesque megaliths. Through the use of state-of-the-art satellite technology, the Pentagon detected a mysterious sealed chamber not too far from the Romanian Sphinx. Through the highest levels of Freemasonry, the Pentagon was able to secure an alliance with the most secret department of the Romanian Intelligence Service. Together, the Romanians and the Americans utilized the Pentagon’s secret technology to penetrate this chamber which was otherwise inaccessible to humans. Transylvanian Sunrise “Transylvanian Sunrise” is the real life story of Radu Cinamar who had the opportunity to visit this secret site where he witnessed a holographic Hall of Records left by an advanced civilization and three mysterious tunnels leading deep into the bowels of the Inner Earth. “Transylvanian Sunrise” chronicles the political intrigue surrounding the discovery of these modern day artifacts and gives a concise and coherent description of them, the prospect of which represents the dawn of a new era for Mankind.”
Thank you. My own Google search for this was unsuccessful. I appreciate the share, Sherbert.
My pleasure.
Sherbet UFO.
Covid was anything but a sham. It very nearly killed me.
Well, the covid issue. The virus was real, as was the scaremongering. I had covid three times (each time the effects were different) and I quite enjoyed it!
Vaccinated? Me? Don’t be daft.. I wasn’t born yesterday. Don’t worry, it’s not as if the vaccines reduced life expectancy and a replacement population has been shipped in to take over. You’ll be fine, honest! 0,0
Now, onto my main point; I heard Mr Strieber suggest that his new book ‘The Fourth Mind’ may be released in November? If this is or isn’t the case then any idea of an actual release date?
Sorry, just looking forward to it. It’s like Christmas Eve knowing it’s about to drop.
Peace.
I’m sure I read in the ‘Subscriber Chat’ section, that Whitley was planning for a release just before Christmas. I think it’s in the ‘copy editing’ phase at the moment but I’m not entirely sure what that means!
Thanks Sherbie, I appreciate that.
Honestly, I can’t wait. I have a strong feeling about this.
Peace.
As a Brit I’d like to wish you all a very happy Thanksgiving weekend.
I wish we had something similar.
Peace.
I have the Alchemy of 9 dimensions and thought it a nice description of the various bubbles of reality we live next to.
That said… IMHO.. I find her hard to take. The Cherokee ancestry ( so many European descent Caucasians claim that out of guilt)
the fact that she called Covid a sham and the whole channeling of the Pleiadean “thems” I’m sorry but a lot of esoterica is like a buffet, and for this offering ( like flat earth and Contrails) it’s a hard pass for me.
Carry on…
I was asked by my son eight days ago to look at a YouTube video: TIMELINE SPLIT – Humans Are Split into Different Dimensions -The Alchemist …( In twenty minutes it contrasts a split coming between a thee and five dimensional human conciousness pathway, itself an implication of a stronger direct linking to the Human Conciousness Field as discovered by Professor Yahn’s collaberative work at the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Reseach Laboritory using the famous Princeton ‘Eggs’ world network.
As it happened I watched Whitley’s fascinating talk involving nine or eleven dimensions first! A really powerful podcast that over time might be seen as one of his best.
Do I tell my son: ‘ …actually you need to brush up on your String Theory and add another four to six dimensions, so as not to feel left out?
Well I bring my experience to bare here as a long time Healer and as an engineer interested in cutting-edge science and ponder how capabable exponents of particle physics have put across multidimensional concepts to the lay public.
From different sources there seems to be a theoretical physics agreement that the extra dimensions are real but wrapped up and concealed, to explain the underlying mathematics, so kept away from interacting with the 3D world.
My take on these differet dimensional advocates is that everyone is partially right to some extent but none are fully right, as they don’t factor in Spiritual Law!
At this point in my own evolvement, appreciating that too early an exposure to Kundalini Energy could kill, with reference to an experience related by Tom Kenyon, he of The Hathor Material book and more …is the need for us to be pragmatic in the highest and best interests of our species making a better contribution under the ‘Journey Back to Source’.
Without doubting the progression that follows from going through Kundalini work for the high flyers, making sense of this world and to facilitate surviving it and transitioning to the fifth dimension for a stronger, more positive, loving, sharing timeline to predominate …to my mind it needs a greater focus on the third-to-fifth dimensional transition or split and the rest will follow.
To succed we have to focus and take it one step at a time, even at the dimensional level, surely it must still be the rule that you can’t run before you can walk!
Peter Platt…I tend to agree…I’ve had my own experience of an obvious timeline/dimensional ‘split’. It seemed like a minor incident at the time, but maybe it wasn’t. I made an accident at an intersection, literally, disappear. It was all very weird. Or maybe it happened to allow me to see what was possible. I did, and I am more mindful now as a result.