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Second Wind
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Username: second_wind

Post Number: 4606
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Monday, May 10, 2010 - 3:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thank you, Sharon.

I've been, shall we say, a little more "on edge" lately, due to all this.

But it's going to be alright.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Victoria
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Username: victoria

Post Number: 379
Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Monday, May 10, 2010 - 5:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

SW ~ My best prayers are being sent too. :-)

Yes this is a stressful time for us all. The detachment part is the hardest thing to practice... that's why I mentioned The Key audio series... as the MOTK had quite a bit to say about it. Check this out... it's based on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDQHspM-CuU


Eckhart Tolle wrote the book, "The Power of Now," which is a way to implement detachment.


My PM sent to SW confirmed that I could only use 5000 characters and was over the limit, but I didn't know if it went through anyway. Darn it, I guess it didn't!
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 4608
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Monday, May 10, 2010 - 6:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thank you for your prayers, Victoria......

and thank you so much for the link to the video with quotes from The Key!!! It was amazing!

I would give anything to know what that music is used on the video.

I have watched many youtube videos with Tolle, and enjoyed them very much.

I also have, in the past, really enjoyed Deepak Chopra.

Tao Te Ching is one of my favorite texts, after many readings.

I have not yet read The Key.

Can you tell me what sets it apart, in your mind, from any other book or lecture on these same principles?

Of course, regardless of the source of the teaching, I know it's always good to be reminded repeatedly of things we have learned, or at least, understood intellectually.





As far as the PM goes, would you be willing to send it again, perhaps in two parts?

It sounds like you have something to teach me, if it was that long a response.

I really want to know what you had to say.

Pretty please?
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Mama Shine
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Username: mama_shine

Post Number: 11701
Registered: 9-2006
Posted on Monday, May 10, 2010 - 6:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

SW,

Healing prayers and comfort to you.
I must create a system, or be enslaved by another man's. ~William Blake

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moonbeam
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Username: mia

Post Number: 491
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 9:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

SW, hope everything turns out alright. I am praying for you.
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Second Wind
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Username: second_wind

Post Number: 4609
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thank you both, Mama and Mia (OH! Mama Mia!!) for your prayers and thoughts.

I am psyching myself up to be strong, and telling myself all will be okay.

I have to drive to the next city for my doctor's appointment, and I am not good driving by myself on the highway, ever since the horrible vertigo that put me in the hospital. This will only be the third time I have driven by myself on the highway since that time, which was 2003.

Having always LOVED driving, and always having been a road-trip LOVER all my life, it is bizarre to think I would ever be nervous behind the wheel.

The pandemonium has begun here at the house, as well. The fur kids are all under the bed. But it should only last for 2 days, hopefully.

Naturally, I had weird dreams all night about all this.

Thanks again for all the thoughts and prayers!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Buddie
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Post Number: 2919
Registered: 3-2008
Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

As someone who has LOST their nerve
behind the wheel and sold the car
I can relate..thinking of you
Just Kidd'en
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Victoria
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Username: victoria

Post Number: 380
Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 - 2:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

SW ~ Sorry, I don't have time to rewrite it and need to focus my time on other matters for now. I might get to it later... but not sure. I hope all turns out well for you.
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Roxie
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Username: roxanne

Post Number: 124
Registered: 2-2009
Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 9:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Hang in there SW.

Sorry I haven't had time to respond.

Thinking of you and sending positive vibes your way.

Hugs!
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Second Wind
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Username: second_wind

Post Number: 4612
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 - 5:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Buddie, TY! And the Beach Boys' song was too perfect!!!!


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Victoria, it's okay. Don't worry about it. I shouldn't have put you on the spot, and I apologize.


I hope you are alright!


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Same to you, Roxie. Thanks for the thoughts and vibes.

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Peace, everyone!


"In the end, only kindness matters."
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greenjoel
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Username: greenjoel

Post Number: 854
Registered: 1-2007
Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2010 - 3:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

hoping that everyone's doing well 8^)
"...Can you look beyond what your eyes are showing you, to find and express Love and Happiness in a world of Fear and Distress?..."
-from the HiddenHand posts on AboveTopSecret
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Second Wind
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Username: second_wind

Post Number: 4621
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Friday, May 28, 2010 - 3:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thanks for the thoughts, greenjoel!

Wishing you well, too!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Username: second_wind

Post Number: 4626
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 5:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Shunning, excommunication, banning, ostracism, social rejection, (there are other terms as well) are all forms of ABUSE. They are all forms of MIND CONTROL. They are all forms of negative "behavior modification".

They are common practices by CULTS of all kinds, at many levels of socitety.





Ostracism:


While some instances clearly expressed popular anger at the victim, ostracism was often used preemptively. It was used as a way of defusing major confrontations between rival politicians (by removing one of them from the scene), neutralizing someone thought to be a threat to the state, or exiling a potential tyrant.

Crucially, ostracism had no relation to the processes of justice.


A social anthropological example of ostracism is the pre-colonial Australian Aboriginal social expulsion of tribe members, sometimes even resulting in death.



Ostracism was crucially different from Athenian law at the time; there was no charge, and no defence could be mounted by the person expelled.

The two stages of the procedure ran in the reverse order from that used under almost any trial system — here it is as if a jury are first asked "Do you want to find someone guilty?", and subsequently asked "Whom do you wish to accuse?".







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Social Rejection


Social rejection occurs when an individual is deliberately excluded from a social relationship or social interaction. The topic includes both interpersonal rejection (or peer rejection) and romantic rejection.

A person can be rejected on an individual basis or by an entire group of people.

Furthermore, rejection can be either active, by bullying, teasing, or ridiculing, or passive, by ignoring a person, or giving the "silent treatment."


Although humans are social beings, some level of rejection is an inevitable part of life. Nevertheless, rejection can become a problem when it is prolonged or consistent, when the relationship is important, or when the individual is highly sensitive to rejection.

Rejection by an entire group of people can have especially negative effects, particularly when it results in social isolation.

The experience of rejection can lead to a number of adverse psychological consequences such as loneliness, low self-esteem, aggression, and depression. It can also lead to feelings of insecurity and a heightened sensitivity to future rejection.

Rejection is emotionally painful because of the social nature of human beings and our basic need to be accepted in groups.

Abraham Maslow and other theorists have suggested that the need for love and belongingness is a fundamental human motivation.

According to Maslow, all humans, even introverts, need to be able to give and receive affection to be psychologically healthy.

Psychologists believe that simple contact or social interaction with others is not enough to fulfill this need. Instead, people have a strong motivational drive to form and maintain caring interpersonal relationships.

People need both stable relationships and satisfying interactions with the people in those relationships. If either of these two ingredients is missing, people will begin to feel lonely and unhappy.

Thus, rejection is a significant threat. In fact, the majority of human anxieties appear to reflect concerns over social exclusion.

Being a member of a group is also important for social identity, which is a key component of the self-concept.

Mark Leary of Wake Forest University has suggested that the main purpose of self-esteem is to monitor social relations and detect social rejection.

In this view, self-esteem is a sociometer which activates negative emotions when signs of exclusion appear.

Social psychological research confirms the motivational basis of the need for acceptance.

Specifically, fear of rejection leads to conformity to peer pressure (sometimes called normative influence), and compliance to the demands of others.

Our need for affiliation and social interaction appears to be particularly strong when we are under stress.



Aggressive children who are athletic or have good social skills are likely to be accepted by peers, and they may become ringleaders in the harassment of less skilled children.

Minority children, children with disabilities, or children who have unusual characteristics or behavior may face greater risks of rejection.

Depending on the norms of the peer group, sometimes even minor differences among children lead to rejection or neglect.

Children who are less outgoing or simply prefer solitary play are less likely to be rejected than children who are socially inhibited and show signs of insecurity or anxiety.



Peer rejection, once established, tends to be stable over time, and thus difficult for a child to overcome.

Researchers have found that active rejection is more stable, more harmful, and more likely to persist after a child transfers to another school, than simple neglect.

One reason for this is that peer groups establish reputational biases that act as stereotypes and influence subsequent social interaction

Thus, even when rejected and popular children show similar behavior and accomplishments, popular children are treated much more favorably.



This means that children with problems are more likely to be rejected, and this rejection then leads to even greater problems for them. Chronic peer rejection may lead to a negative developmental cycle that worsens with time.



Laboratory research has found that even short-term rejection from strangers can have powerful (if temporary) effects on an individual.

In several social psychology experiments, people chosen at random to receive messages of social exclusion become more aggressive, more willing to cheat, less willing to help others, and more likely to pursue short-term over long-term goals. Rejection appears to lead very rapidly to self-defeating and antisocial behavior.[13]

A common experimental technique is the "ball toss" paradigm, which was developed by Kip Williams and his colleagues at Purdue University.[14] This procedure involves a group of three people tossing a ball back and forth.

Unbeknownst to the actual participant, two members of the group are working for the experimenter and following a pre-arranged script.

In a typical experiment, half of the subjects will be excluded from the activity after a few tosses and never get the ball again.

Only a few minutes of this treatment are sufficient to produce negative emotions in the target, including anger and sadness.

This effect occurs regardless of self-esteem and other personality differences.





A study at Miami University indicated that individuals who recently experienced social rejection were better than both accepted and control participants in their ability to discriminate between real and fake smiles.

Though both accepted and control participants were better than chance (they did not differ from each other), rejected participants were much better at this task, nearing 80% accuracy.

This study is noteworthy in that it is one of the few cases of a positive or adaptive consequence of social rejection.




Individual differences in rejection sensitivity are believed to be the result of previous rejection experiences, particularly childhood experiences with parents and peers.

Attachment theory suggests that rejection from parents could lead to rejection sensitivity.

Additionally, both retrospective and longitudinal research has found that peer rejection in children is associated with increased rejection sensitivity.

Teasing and other forms of bullying appear to be especially likely to cause later difficulties.





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Video: Perspective on "Shunning"




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"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Username: second_wind

Post Number: 4627
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 6:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Beyond Black & White: Recovering from a Political Cult



"I spent the decade of the eighties trapped in a leftist political cult. The terrible irony of this experience was that, looking for a socialist utopia, I instead embraced a form of fascism. But one of the things I gained in those lost years was an understanding that penetrates my bones: a sure knowledge of power abuse, of what democracy isn't."



"In my search to understand the dynamics of power abuse and mind control, I identified other points on the continuum: domestic violence, therapist and "professional" abuse, power problems in the workplace, gangs, even schoolyard bullies."




"I did, however, take on some new perspectives. I gave up the idea that I could, or should, change the world. I took on, instead, the proverb: Each one teach one."
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Username: second_wind

Post Number: 4629
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 6:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Another view, from the both a Catholic perspective AND a Scientology perspective, on Shunning, that takes place when anyone speaks truth to power.


Shunning someone because of their exercise of the right to freedom of speech, is a cultic, totalitarian practice.



"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

(Evelyn Beatrice Hall)

"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Username: second_wind

Post Number: 4630
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 6:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

And a little tongue-in-cheek humor on "raising your vibration and SHUNNING those who are below your vibrational level"!!!


Channeling w/ Shodashi 108 & Shunning 101




"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Username: second_wind

Post Number: 4631
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2010 - 7:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

More enlightened advice from Shodashi 108!!


Now, THIS channeller is my new HERO!!!!!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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allen
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Username: eastsider01

Post Number: 1990
Registered: 4-2005
Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I posted this in another thread but maybe it fits here too. Memories are a fragile thing and need protection....

http://www.slate.com/id/2251888/
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Second Wind
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Username: second_wind

Post Number: 4665
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 1:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I read the article.

Amnesiac drugs have been discussed many times on the board. I have posted about them several times.

As for Elizabeth Loftus, she is one of the key players (advisory board members) of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation.

She has devoted most of her "career" to focusing on how false memories can be created, and yet, she has also shown how memories can be specifically and precisely wiped away.

Unfortunately, she (and others like her) have created the perfect Catch 22, and the perfect COVER for perpetrators of mind control experiments.

BECAUSE it is true that false memories (screen memories) can be created (and I don't mean by Aliens), this has been the perfect tool for not only creating false memories to cover up actual traumatic abuses, but then is also used to discredit witnesses who have recovered memories of real events.

Diabolical, how the controllers co-opt just about everything about human existence and the human mind and spirit, for their own nefarious purposes!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 4666
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Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 1:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

From the article you linked to:

"In 2009, she and her colleagues concluded that "it might be virtually impossible to tell reliably if a particular memory is true or false without independent corroboration."




"Today, Loftus struggles with her impulses and the implications of her work. She's preparing a report on a new experiment involving U.S. military personnel in survival training. First, the trainees were brutally interrogated. Then, through bogus photographs, their memories were altered so that they could no longer identify their interrogators. The experiment is an inadvertent blueprint for getting away with war crimes. Loftus worries about who will use it. At the same time, she continues to seek evidence that people are willing to take memory-dampening drugs. The subjects in her experiments keep saying no. She keeps looking for scenarios or information that might persuade them to say yes."



How convenient for "them".

What a typical "mad scientist" she is. She conducts experiments to alter trauma memories of torture, yet "worries" it will "be used".....as if she doesn't know that it's been used for decades.

She might not be a Mengele, but she's not that far off, and she's well on her way.....
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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allen
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Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 3:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Yes SW the implications are truly frightening. It reads as though we are defenseless against this sort of abuse, both on an individual scale and on the larger societal scale. "What is real?" may soon turn out to be the million dollar question. This sort of tech can make the story of Babylon look like child's play.
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Victoria
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Post Number: 396
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Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2010 - 3:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I'm wondering WHO uses this method for creating false memories? I'm sure it's not restricted in any way.

Well stated SW and Allen.
Eschew Obfuscation
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 4672
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Posted on Saturday, June 05, 2010 - 8:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

An interestingly apropos daily forecast in my email today:


Here's your Daily Tarot Card for Saturday, June 5:


"The Hanged Man card suggests that my alter ego today is the People Pleaser, whose superpower is the 'bubble of denial.' I need to exercise my prerogative, be it to humor the ridiculous, or to go out on a limb, or to remain the pious hold out and risk persecution. So be it. I can't validate the guilty pleasure, hang-up or self-indulgence; but I can either rationalize being a willing slave to its pressure, or I can condescend to acquiesce to avoid real suffering, I can perhaps even gain support for my righteous sacrifice or implied martyrdom. Thus I can step it up or hang out, submit to the charade, or sacrifice to what end? But it's the inevitably lame justification that prompts posturing, or playing victim, dumb or innocent. Today I can take it, fake it, quit kidding myself, or put an end to tempting resistance and just grin and bear it. Or, call the bluff -- give them a rope and they'll hang themselves soon enough."



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A horoscope for today in my email"

Saturday, Jun 5th, 2010 -- You could feel safe enough today to express feelings that you have been keeping to yourself, subsequently making you vulnerable to the feedback you receive. Unfortunately, those listening may be overly judgmental, sending you into an emotional tailspin. But don't waste time indulging negativity because something good will come from your openhearted disclosure. Be patient; it might take a few days for the positive results to manifest."


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And finally, here is the fascinating results of a rune casting, with my question being:

"What should I be aware of concerning myself, and and my interactions on The Board at Unknown Country?"


Interpretation: Who? - Raido

Raido describes a person who is not intellectually or emotionally conservative; he’d tend to stay up-dated. It is about a person who loves innovations and thinks about future; he has a vision of change. He always recognizes another side of his personality through any adversity, which often makes him the subject of scorn of those less inclined to self-scrutiny.



Interpretation: What? - Algiz (inverted)

It says the environment is not being protected and that there is absolute indifference towards the situation.



Interpretation: When? - Nauthiz

Nauthiz leads us to the darkest moment, which is the least bright in every sense. It is a difficult time, but it does not last too long, just like the dark of night. This rune also refers to a convalescence period and gradual recovery, when pain is relieved slowly. The moment Nauthiz talks about is the one in which one has to overcome the most difficult obstructions in one's environment.



Interpretation: Where? - Uruz

This rune describes a wild, primitive, untamed and unruly place. It is a place where the wild ox defends his territory. It also refers to some places where it is very difficult to stay, if we do not pass the test every single day. In some cases it is about a place that should be inspected daily by some just and objective eyes, in order to survive and nurture all who enter. Uruz may be pointing to some land or wild territory, a place of restless activity, a place that is difficult to change, a place for hunting or any other place associated with adventure or the unexpected.




Interpretation: Why? - Odin

The reason why - Odin, refers to the fact that one is getting to the bottom of one’s principles; devotion to one’s principles is of utmost importance.



Interpretation: How? - Laguz (inverted)

The presence of this rune indicates that the intuitive part of your nature is awake and therefore you are advised to benefit from it. When Laguz is inverted, it advises not get too excited; be pragmatic and practical, without forgetting about feelings and intuition, in order to develop them without having them ruined by over-reactions.



Interpretation: What for? - Othila (inverted)

The presence of this rune tells you that it serves to listen to and pay attention to the part of you that really knows. Long lasting values should be promoted and practiced. It is about becoming aware of principles, rules or traditions that were abandoned by those around you. The bottom line is not to break your own, or universal, rules.








Lessons from unexpected places......
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Victoria
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Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2010 - 3:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

In today's NYTimes... an article on a shamanic journey in the Ecuadoran Amazon Andes... a very interesting read.

http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/travel/17Ecuador.html?th&emc=th

"I had traveled by car, plane, boat and foot — more than 100 miles from conventional civilization — to reach a place where the old ways have not been forgotten, where local people interpret the world through their dreams and the forest spirit known as arutam is said to inhabit the mighty kapok tree, and where healing and insight is sought from a hallucinogenic plant brew the Achuar call natem, known elsewhere as ayahuasca, or “vine of the soul.”

"Tsumpa served me the natem in an adjacent hut. All appeared normal, until after what seemed like 20 minutes it no longer did. A montage of images emerged from the darkness — neon crystals, a lion. Soon my body dissolved into the surroundings, swallowed by a sea of energy. Unmoored and disoriented, I was adrift in a more expansive reality."
Too many people enjoy the comfort of opinion
without struggling through the labor of thought. JFK
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miaree9
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Post Number: 4591
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Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 8:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Because Victoria's post mentioned the use of ayahuasca by shamans, I thought this post might fit here: Colombian Shaman Arrested for Ayahuasca on Arriving in US.

Here's an excerpt from the article:

A widely known and well-respected indigenous Colombian shaman is in US custody on drug trafficking charges for possessing the psychedelic concoction ayahuasca when he arrived in Houston October 19 on a flight from Colombia. Taita Juan Agreda Chindoy faces up to 20 years in federal prison after being arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Taita Juan is a traditional healer of the Cametsa people who live in the Sibundoy Valley in Colombia's Alto Putomayo region. He is recognized by the Colombian Ministry of Health as a traditional healer and is widely known in his community as an established healer and leader. He was traveling to Oregon to give a presentation when he was arrested.

Although used as a religious sacrament in the Amazon, ayahuasca is banned under the US Controlled Substances Act because it contains DMT, a fast-acting hallucinogenic chemical. But in a unanimous 2006 decision, the US Supreme Court held that a US branch of a Brazilian church may use ayahuasca as a sacrament during religious rituals.


Welcome to America, Taita Juan.
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Mama Shine
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Post Number: 13286
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Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 9:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Miaree,

May I add this for anyone that
has further concern for Taita Juan.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eleccion/message/32538
I must create a system, or be enslaved by another man's. ~William Blake

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miaree9
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Posted on Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 9:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thanks, Mama.
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 5167
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 5:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

OK.....rather than start a whole new thread........

I mean, it's all about "lessons", right?




I want to pose a question, and I hope that there will be some who will take my question seriously, and give it some thought, and answer as honestly as you can.



If a doctor told you that there was a (roughly) 70 percent chance that you could become legally blind within a year, what would you want to SEE before that happened?

What would you put on your "blind list" (things to do while you can still see)??


For me, there have been several amazing things to see in the last two days. Two of them were incredibly breathtaking sunsets, the last two consecutive evenings. The kind of sunsets that just stop you in your tracks. The kind that caused me to have to pull over to the side of the road to watch.

The other was the amazingly mystical eclipse tonight. I am so glad the weather was warm enough, and clear enough, to see this amazing Solstice Eclipse.


As for my question....well....my answers would be, first of all, MORE SUNSETS.

More beauty.


I guess it would be just like me to be more concerned with taking in all the visually beautiful things possible while I can, than to be concerned with preparing for LIVING after losing eyesight.

Is it possible to do both? Enjoy the visual beauty available to me while I can, while at the same time, preparing for the future?

Sounds too much like "multi-tasking" to me....and the older I get, the less able I am to multi-task.



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(Message edited by second_wind on December 21, 2010)
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 5171
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Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 6:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

You will have to excuse me.......



I am procrastinating about getting ready for my trip to Phoenix on Thursday.

Why does everything have to happen all at once?
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Buddie
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Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 6:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

OUT ON A LIMB ..
If I recall you do procrastinate
when it comes to travel..

Guess if I were loosing my vision
I would definitely visit my family
who live away..the rest of my time
I would spend outdoors..I'm a sniffer
so I know lots of smells already :-)

I don't like to think this is a
question related to you personally
though :-(

Enjoy your trip.. and start packing
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if a doctor told me i'd be blind in a year, the first thing i'd do is get a second and third opinion.
sure you can trust the government....just ask an indian.
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SW,

I recall your trip anxieties
and am sending you self-confidant
energy and comfort.

As for the blindness, I would learn the
notes for the many musical compositions
that I haven't already committed to memory.
Blindness has not been that big a problem
for many musicians.
I must create a system, or be enslaved by another man's. ~William Blake

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bean
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Mama...that's because they know how to listen...
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Second Wind
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Thank you, ladies, for your thoughts and opinions.

Buddie, your response is the closest to my own feelings about my question. I am a "sinffer" as well!

As for seeing family, well.....it's complicated, as you know.

I had my first round of horrific nightmares about family last night. Woke myself up moaning out loud, crying in my sleep.

This is something that happens periodically, and it is almost a certainty any time I am going to spend time with any of them.

I always do positive mental visualizations and prayers for protection, in hopes of easing the anxiety and possibly preventing the nightmares. I have not learned any mental or spiritual tricks to prevent them.

I don't know which I dread more, the "visits" with some of my family, or the nightmares that go along with those visits.

Still, I am taking a few minutes every hour, to sit down and close my eyes, and visualize us having a peaceful time, and even having fun,

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susi, your point is well-taken. However, I was posing my question with the implied understanding that the diagnosis and prognosis would have been "confirmed" by more than one specialist, as much as possible. I guess I should have stated that.

It would be standard procedure for an opthalmologist to insist/strongly suggest that the patient also see a neurologist.

Thanks for your thoughts about it.


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Mama, I appreciate your thoughts and your willingness to send out good energy to me.

I never learned to play an instrument, but music is almost as important to me as food, water and air, so one of the things I would do, would be to figure out a system that would allow me to still be able to listen to my collection of music.

Plus, I think I would practice using the system ahead of time, and I might make plans to substitute satellite radio for cable TV; not sure about that. But I would cancel internet, and probably do away with my computer. I could use the money I spend on internet, to pay for satellite radio, perhaps.

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I'll be leaving on that plane in the morning.



Wishing you all a Merry Christmas!


"In the end, only kindness matters."
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susi
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susi, your point is well- taken. however, i was posing my question with the implied understanding that the diagnosis and prognosis would have been 'confirmed' by more than one specialist, as much as possible. i guess i should have stated that.

without that fact i didn't want to make any judgements.

now knowing that, i would spend all my time with my family and in nature and try to see things i've never seen before, so i could hold that memory in my minds' eye-like the northern lights.
sure you can trust the government....just ask an indian.
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Merry Christmas SW
PS.. I believe its worth the effort
to visualize :-)
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Smith
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Effects of Stress

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/24/dr_gabor_mat_on_the_stress
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Second Wind
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Smith, I am not certain why you chose this thread (which I began) as the place to post the above piece, but I am glad you did.

I have just begun listening to the program, and will post again after I have finished.

I don't know if you have read many of my posts in this (or any) thread, but if you have, then you know that the piece you posted has particularly strong meaning for me.

Thank you for the contribution to "my" thread!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Well, I don't really think that much of a response from me is needed, other than what I already said.

VERY appropriate article, and I thank you again for posting it.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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The following songs are dedicated to my favorite "person" on the board......EVEN IF I am just a fool and wasting my time and effort.


Only Human


It's only human to despise the weak
It's only human to despise yourself when you're weak
I don't know why
But that's the way that it's always been
And I play by the rules I don't understand at all

It's only human to be lazy and vain
It's only human to expect a world
that's just as vain
I don't know why I want to believe
that it's not that way
But I'm Johnny-come-lately
It's not my place to say

There's no escape
Tell me, why do you try so hard?


And I pretend that I'm invincible
that I can go it all alone
But I'm only human
trying to get by
And praying to heaven
I might find out
why am I human?
Mere flesh and blood
Afraid to go on without
someone to hold me up

It's just a human thing
to fear the unknown
But isn't it a tragic thing
to live and die alone?


Oh lord look at the world,
Have you ever seen so much misery?
Like a ghost ship of fools
lost and floating out to sea

There's no escape
Tell me why do they try so hard?

And they climb and they fall
Yet they struggle on the same fault

But they're only human
trying to get by
And praying to heaven
they might find out
Why are we human?
Mere flesh and blood
We're afraid to go on without
someone to hold us up











Sometimes I Don't Know What to Feel


Sometimes I don't know
Sometimes I don't know
I just don't know what to feel
Sometimes I don't know

Sometimes I don't know what to feel
Everything I thought that I knew
starts to look so unreal
There's a ringing in my head
that keeps me awake at night


Sometimes I don't know what is right
Today I saw a car
crush my little dog under its wheel
It did not even stop
it just sped off and out of sight

Sometimes I just feel so afraid
But I know that no one else has it made
So if I just believe in myself
I won't need no help from nobody else
and I can make it alone
And everything will be cool
I got to keep on keepin' on
There's nothing else I can do


But sometimes I don't know
sometimes I don't know
I just don't know what to feel

Sometimes I don't know what to do
Someone said the world's going to end
and I think its true
I thought there was some love in the world
but I guess I'm wrong

Sometimes I just feel so alone
I don't want to admit to my friends
that I feel confused
I wonder what I'd do with myself
if the world was gone

Something makes me stay on my feet
Don't you dare admit to defeat

And if I tell myself it's all right
I can comfort myself through the night
and watch another day dawn
And everything will be cool
I got to keep on keepin' on
There's nothing else I can do


But sometimes I don't know
sometimes I don't know
I just don't know what to feel










"Time Heals" and "Tiny Demons"


Time Heals

If you’re bleeding
Then everyone can see you’re bleeding
They can call for the doctor
Who’ll provide what the diagnosis says you’re needing
Then he’ll take away your pain

But if your heart
Your heart has been broken
And you don’t wear it on your sleeve
No one can tell
Your hell goes unspoken
But there’s one thing you must believe

Time heals the wounds no one can see
Time heals the wounds that no one can see


If you’re crying
Then everyone can see you crying
And they all sympathize
But it just doesn’t matter
Though they may be trying
They can’t feel the hurt inside

You can’t go on
You’ve gone to the limit
And your life seems to slip away
You’re on your own
Alone you must face it
And tomorrow’s so far away


Time heals the wounds no one can see
Time heals the wounds that no one can see








Tiny Demons

One of them plays a piccolo
in my ear


Another one makes me smell things
that aren't there


And they know where to hide
And they know everything that's inside
Of my head

Tiny demons inside me


One of them ties a lasso
around my heart
(ouch!!!!)

Another makes me nod
when I drive the car


And they won't ever leave
But they won't show their faces to me

And they wait 'til I feel like they're gone
and they jump out and steal
My relief

Tiny demons


And they know where to hide
And they know everything that's inside
Of my head

Tiny demons

And they won't ever leave
But they won't show their faces to me

Tiny demons inside me

"In the end, only kindness matters."
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susi
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aw, THANK you!









(sorry, couldn't resist lol)
sure you can trust the government....just ask an indian.
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fortwynt
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Somewhere in a lonely hotel room
There's a guy starting to realize
That eternal fate has turned his back on him...

Verse 1:
It's 2 A.M. the fear has gone
I'm sitting here waiting the gun still warm
Maybe my connection is tired of taking chances

Verse 2:
Yeah there's a storm on the loose
Sirens in my head
Wrapped up in silence all circuits are dead
Cannot decode my whole life spins into a frenzy...

Chorus:
Help I'm stepping into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse feels like being cloned
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far
Help I'm stepping into the twilight zone
Place is a madhouse feels like being cloned
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far
So you'll come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
So you'll come to know
When the bullet hits the bone

Verse 3:
I'm falling down a spiral--destination unknown
Double crossed messenger--all alone
Can't get no connection, can't get through--where are you

Verse 4:
Well the night weighs heavy on his guilty mind
This far from the border line
When the hitman comes he knows damn well
he has been cheated...
And he says

Chorus

Solo

Chorus

Outro
So you'll come to know
When the bullet hits the bone
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Second Wind
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I can see that you enjoyed mocking me, and find it amusing, susi, but it's a shame you could not call upon your better side, and find the guts to "resist".
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Posted on Monday, January 10, 2011 - 3:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Fort, if you feel inclined, please explain your posting of that song in response to my dedications to you.

If you don't feel like it.......

Whatever.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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RushingStar
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Posted on Monday, January 10, 2011 - 4:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

SW...you may have dedicated the songs for your favorite person, but I wanted to tell you that they hit the spot for me, also.

Sometimes I just feel so afraid
But I know that no one else has it made
So if I just believe in myself
I won't need no help from nobody else
and I can make it alone
And everything will be cool
I got to keep on keepin' on
There's nothing else I can do


Thank you.
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RushingStar
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Fort...that was a scarey post. You have many people fearing for your LIFE and then you post THAT song? What are you trying to tell us? Spit it out and make me believe you are not suicidal.
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susi
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second wind

well, once again you fail to get my humor.

it was just a joke. not mocking you, just trying to be amusing.

sorry you cannot find humor in things.
sure you can trust the government....just ask an indian.
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Second Wind
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I'm glad you found some personal meaning in one of the songs, RS.

They were dedicated to Fortwynt. He knows, and probably everyone else knows, that he is my favorite here, for very personal reasons.

I posted those songs for him because of what he posted about on his thread that he had deleted........but I also intended them for myself, as well as for anyone who would understand and relate to the emotions expressed.

Blessings, and may tomorrow be a better day for any who are hurting at the moment!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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fortwynt
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 1:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

whoops...didnt mean that as a reply sw....just always dug that song...heard it as I was driving and nevr knew the words...stopped the car, looked up lyrics and posted...dring now actually....more later.
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Second Wind
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 7:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

But why did you post it on THIS thread?

Why not on the "Music" thread, or the "Good and Juicy Songs" thread?
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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animalspirits
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Lessons come from unexpected places, including music.
Understand that all things are sacred--yet nothing is sacred.

~Yotee Coyote


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Second Wind
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 8:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I agree with that statement with all my heart and soul! Music has been the source of lessons of several kinds, since I was just a toddler/preschooler!!!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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RushingStar
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Music is the language that echoes through out the Universe.
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fortwynt
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hmm well...good question...maybe I confused this thread with that thread because I'm so used to seeing lyrics in that thread or something and they are so close together...hard to say.
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fortwynt
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Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 9:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

or alternatively, maybe there is deeper meaning to that song to me. I have used music my entire life to express deeper things about myself...as a child, strange as it is, I would spend hours laying in my room with headphones on, listeing to my favorite songs, imagining myself singing the lyrics or acting out some sort of situation to the lyrics...even of songs that would appear, on their face, to have no discernable connection to me....even to this day, I don't just listen to a song for it's "beat" or "music quality"...in 100 percent of cases the song has to psychologically onnect with me in some fashion....im selfish musically when it comes to that...although said songs can come from a wide selection of genres....
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RushingStar
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Well, you scared the peewaddin' outta me with it, Fort!
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Second Wind
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That's not fair, fort.

Seems you are messing with me.

Re-post your reply, please.


edited to say......


never mind.

(Message edited by second_wind on January 11, 2011)
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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animalspirits
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WS,

Music has vibrational energy that speaks to the soul and can help one bring to the surface stuff that is buried deep but still needs addressing.

I am glad you posted...that you felt safe enough to do it.



ma
Understand that all things are sacred--yet nothing is sacred.

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fortwynt
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huh? I never replied to your songs...which btw, I profoundly connect with....i don't usually post in this thread and I suppose I see lyrics my mind says music thread or songs thread and that just happened to be the song playing at the time....i suppose in retrospect the lyrics are a bit odd...i just always dug the creepy sound and the part about "the twilight zone"...never even knew the whole lyric set till now...

but on a deeper level perhaps I've always felt a sense of being two people...the one darker me and the one sent with the task to destroy that version...maybe I've read too many dean koontz books...who knows...i recently posted a proverb on my facebook page that, to paraphrase, said:

a grandfather was speaking to his grandson, and said "i feel as if there are two wolves fighting in my mind. The benevolent, peaceful, and loving wolf, and the wild, deranged, and destructive wolf. The grandson said, "which one do you think will win?" to which the grandfather replied, "The one I feed."
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Second Wind
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Fort, I have composed a long post (imagine that???!!!) to try to explain my confusion, as indicated in my post #5211 above, and to also acknowledge some things I finally realized about the song you posted above.

But I am going to use my self-screening tactic, and wait until tomorrow (later today?) to post it, so that I can have a chance to read it after I have had some rest.......IF I can actually GET some rest. (I know that you know what THAT is like.)

I want to make sure that (1) my post makes good sense, and (2) see if I might can edit it down some, and (3) word it in a way that will not embarrass you, or myself.


I hope you are feeling better and have been able to get a little more rest, as well.



Till later, here's a little something for you and me, and whoever needs it. Posting the lyrics for anyone who might not be able to actually watch the video.




It's OK!!



It's a broke day
but everything is ok (It's ok)
I'm up all night
but everything is alright (It's alright)
It's a rough week
and I don't get enough sleep (I can't sleep)
It's a long year
pretending I belong here (Belong here)

It's a broke day
but everything is ok (It's ok)
I'm up all night
but everything is alright (It's alright)
It's a rough week
and I don't get enough sleep (I can't sleep)
It's a long year pretending I belong here (Belong here)

One day I plan to be a family man
happily married
I wanna grow to be so old
that I have to be carried
Till I'm glad to be buried
And leave this crazy world
And have at least a half a million
for my baby girl

It may be early
to be planning this stuff
Cause I'm still struggling hard
to be the man, and it's tough
Cause man it's been rough
but still I manage enough
I've been taken advantage of
damaged and scuffed
My hands have been cuffed
But I don't panic and huff
frantic and puff
Or plan to give up
the minute **** hits the fan it erupts
I'm anteing up
double or nothing
I've been troubled enough
And I'm sick of struggling and suffering

see
My destiny's to rest at ease
till I'm impressed and pleased
With my progress
I won't settle for less than cheese
I'm on a quest to seize all
my own label to call
Way before my baby is able to crawl

I'm too stable to fall
the pressure motivates
To know I hold the weight
of boulders on my shoulder blades
I seen the golden gates
to heaven on Earth
Where they don't pull a weapon on you
when you stepping on turf, Q

It's a broke day
but everything is ok (It's ok)
I'm up all night
but everything is alright (It's alright)
It's a rough week
and I don't get enough sleep (I can't sleep)
It's a long year
pretending I belong here (Belong here)

It's a broke day
but everything is ok (It's ok)
I'm up all night
but everything is alright (It's alright)
It's a rough week
and I don't get enough sleep (I can't sleep)
It's a long year
pretending I belong here (Belong here)

I'm going for broke
gambling and playing for keeps
Everyday in the streets
scrambling and paying for cheep
Praying for sleep
Dreaming with a watering mouth
Wishing for a better life
for my daughter and spouse

In this slaughtering house
caught up in bouts
With the root of all evil
I've seen it turn beautiful people
crude and deceitful
And make them do **** illegal
For these Grant's and Jackson's
These transactions
explain a man's actions

But in the midst of this insanity
I found my Christianity
Through God
and there's a wish he granted me
He showed me how to cope with the stress
And hope for the best
instead of mope and depressed
Always groping a mess
of flying over the nest
To selling dope with the rest
I quit smoking cess
to open my chest
Life is stressful inside this cesspool
Trying to wrestle
I almost bust a blood vessel

My little brother's trying
to learn his mathematics
He's asthmatic
running home from school
away from crack addicts
Kids attract static
children with automatics
Taking target practice
on teens for Starter Jackets

I'm using smarter tactics
to overcome this slum
I won't become as dumb as some
and succumb to scum
It's cumbersome
I'm trying to do well on this Earth
But it's been Hell on this Earth
since I fell on this Earth

It's a broke day
but everything is ok (It's ok)
I'm up all night
but everything is alright (It's alright)
It's a rough week
and I don't get enough sleep (I can't sleep)
It's a long year
pretending I belong here (Belong here)

It's a broke day
but everything is ok (It's ok)
I'm up all night
but everything is alright (It's alright)
It's a rough week
and I don't get enough sleep (I can't sleep)
It's a long year
pretending I belong here (Belong here)

Uh, it's ok, yeah it's alright
even though I can't sleep
Uh yeah, it's ok, it's alright, I can't sleep




Sleep tight!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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RushingStar
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Great song, SW. And very appropriate.
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Second Wind
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Rushing Star, thanks for the comment about the song! Yeah, It was going through my mind all night Tues. night/Wed. morning. It definitely fits the mood that many of us have been in lately.


I am not much of a rap music fan, but there are a couple of exceptions, and Eminem in one of them. I think he is an amazing artist, performer and lyricist!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 - 8:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

fortwynt!!!


Thanks for the shout-out, and I'll get back to you on it!

The following was mostly written in the wee hours of Tuesday night. Sorry it's so long. I did edit it down some, believe it or not. Hope you don't fall asleep trying to get through it!!





Thanks for sharing your thoughts about the song "Twilight Zone".


When I look back to my initial reaction when you first posted the song, "Twilight Zone", I was anticipating your response to the lyrics I had posted for you, and I was worrying about you, I couldn't at first get the meaning of the song YOU posted, or why you posted it.


But, at least subconsciously, I connected with the lyrics on a level I could not put my finger on at the time, which is why I asked you why you posted them here.

Plus, by the time you posted the song, I was in a state of mind that caused me to over-react and not be able to think why you would have posted it here, and at that time. The progression of events prior to reading that post, are described below.

I had heard about the shooting late Saturday afternoon, just before falling asleep.

I had also read the very first posts on your deleted thread late Friday night, I think.

So, anyway, when I went to sleep on Saturday afternoon, after learning about the shooting, I had a horrific nightmare about my son, who I have not heard from in 2 years.

In the dream, he suddenly shows up at my door, and he was behaving in an unstable way, much like the descriptions of the behavior of all these various shooters.

In the dream, I was afraid, for myself and others....the dream was one of those that was so graphic it was like a lucid (conscious?!!!) dream. It was horrible.

I woke up crying, and I was afraid to go back to sleep, and had to get up and turn on lights and music.

Then I came back to the board.....

I was very upset and preoccupied by the dream, and about the whole Tucson tragedy, and all the talk about the shooter, and people saying, "the signs were there, but nobody did anything".

I was also still worried about what you had posted in your deleted thread, and I knew that being so upset about both the shooting and so worried about you, had caused my dream about my son.

Then, I came to the board to see what everyone was saying and feeling about the shooting.

That's when I saw your post on your (now deleted) thread that sounded like maybe you were just hanging on by a thread.

Fort, because of my own MC history, which has involved and deeply affected my son, and the way I feel about you, and how much you have reminded me of him, right down to your sign, and being so upset about the shooting in AZ........

Well, all that is why I reacted the way I did to what I was afraid was a suicide threat by you.

I was also very sleep deprived at the time (so what else is new?), so everything was even more intense, as you well know, due to your own understanding of sleep deprivation.

In addition, I am stressed out about some things at home, like health problems, house repair issues, and my oldest kitty who is doing really BAD. I am feeling overwhelmed. I know you understand that, too, since you are also feeling overwhelmed.

So, anyway, THEN, after all that, I read your posting of the song above, and, well, it basically hit my last nerve.

Still, I decided to ask you why you posted it. But even after you answered me about that, I was still so upset, exhausted and on edge that I could not think objectively.

So, I made myself take a break from the board, and get some food and, and then re-read your posts, as well as re-read the song lyrics you posted.

Finally, I began to have some additional "realizations" about the lyrics, regarding not only the content of the thread you deleted, but even more than that, about the topic of the Tucson shooter. I think maybe I get why you posted it!



Good lord!!!
*I wish there was an icon for EYES BUGGING OUT IN SHOCK!*


Like you, this has always been one of my favorite songs. I have even posted it myself on the Good and Juicy Songs thread, along with lyrics.

Given my usual radar for MC references, I am just shocked that I did not consciously recognize them in the song back when I posted it on the board.


But I had always interpreted the lyrics as being about a drug deal gone bad. Isn't it amazing how, with new information, which gives a new context, things that once either didn't make sense, or were wrongly interpreted, now suddenly DO make sense? Sometimes, one cannot interpret something without having the right vocabulary!

But reading them NOW, in the context of "programmed assassins".......WOW!



"Place is a madhouse feels like being cloned
My beacon's been moved under moon and star
Where am I to go now that I've gone too far"



Wrapped up in silence all circuits are dead
Cannot decode my whole life spins into a frenzy...



I'm falling down a spiral--destination unknown
Double crossed messenger--all alone
Can't get no connection, can't get through--where are you




And then, the "hit man" gets taken out by another "hit man".....


--------


So, anyway, even if the shooter was not in your mind consciously when you posted the lyrics, I find it uncanny that you posted them at that particular time, and that I didn't consciously get the reference.


I know that there are few who think that this shooter could possibly be a mind-controlled shooter or patsy, but I am still feeling that there are too many indications.

Plus, I am still really bugged about the first 911 call after the shooting. Did you read my post on the "Congresswoman Shot" thread, about that?
If you haven't read my posts about that, please check them out, and tell me what you think.

If you would rather comment by PM, that would be fine, but I really would like to hear your thoughts about it.

Thanks again, fortie, for the reassurances, and also, for the interesting lesson about the song "Twilight Zone"!





(I hope I made sense in this post, and that I was able to explain the progression of events, so that you are better able to understand my over-reactions, both to your "deleted thread", and to your posting "Twilight Zone"......)
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 4:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I moved this from the "Egypt" thread.....


Just for the hell of it, I will remind any who might remember, and tell any who don't know, (even if none really care much)....

My sister is married to a Muslim Egyptian.

I have been so upset about the ramifications of this "uprising" in Egypt, that I can barely sleep, and there is just no way I can talk to my sister about how I feel about it.

I see CNN interviewing Egyptian Americans, couples, one of which is a Non-Egyptian woman married to an Egyptian Muslim......and I know that this affects my sister & BIL profoundly......


....but I cannot discuss it with her. So, I am avoiding her calls.

There might be a few still here on the board who might remember the "issues" surrounding my relationship with my Sister, and my suspicions about her "husband"........and so, might understand why I cannot talk about this with her.


In fact, I can't talk about how I am feeling about all this, with ANYONE....so, please forgive my brief rant.......





I feel like I am even deeper into the Twilight Zone....

It was strange enough when my sister married a man from a Middle Eastern country in the 1980s.....even IF he HAD been in the US for (then) 20 years.....


It was a whole other thing when he "went back" to fundamentalist Islam shortly after 911.


As things have progressed since 911, regarding the whole "Radical Muslim Terrorism" thing, and the wars in the Middle East, it has continued to be so bizarre to me that I ended up with a sister married to the person she is married to.....


(there is just so much I am leaving out here, that has transpired over the years. Some things, I have posted about in the past. Others, I cannot get the nerve to post about.)

And now, this "uprising" in Egypt.


I wish I could know the truth of what my sister is thinking and feeling.......

...but I cannot calmly discuss it with her, due to the fact that I see the "orchestration" behind all this stuff.....


Oh, hell.

It doesn't even really matter. There are probably only a few who understand what I am trying to say.


I realize some might think that this Egypt thing is "not about me".....but it DOES AFFECT ME, probably more than anyone on the board, based on what I "know" about the others on the board.


Just venting out of anger, sadness and frustration.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Smith
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Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

http://www.truth-out.org/print/67267
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Second Wind
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Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2011 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

EXCELLENT piece, smith. Totally on point.

Thanks for posting it. I think you must understand where I am coming from, at least to some degree.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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You know how I love to talk.....and there are very few things in life I like to talk about, more than about MUSIC!!!!

I decided to post this here, rather than in the "good & Juicy songs" thread, because I have the impression that longwinded discussion is not what's wanted there, it's more about just posting the songs, and maybe a few short comments.

Plus, this post is about the lessons I have been learing around this particular artist's music.


I have been on a "mission" of sorts, with Todd Rundgren.

I became interested in him in the mid-70s, and bought several of his solo albums, and one of the Utopia albums.

Then, for various reasons, during the 1980s, I became almost completely "checked out" of most of what was going on in music, except for what was on MTV.

Thanks to YouTube, I began to discover more and more about Todd and his career, both solo, and with Utopia, and all his other talents (like as a producer, and a digital music/file sharing pioneer).

I discovered how much amazing music of his & Utopia's that I had missed.

I have been obsessed for several months with trying to put together a larger collection of his stuff, including concert videos.

But because he has had such a "strange" and mostly "non-commercial" career, he is pretty obscure to most people, except for his several obvious "hits". As a result, a lot of his catalogue is out of print in "hard" forms. It is particularly frustrating in terms of trying to find what is one of his very best concert DVDs......to actually purchase for my own collection.

However, I did just discover that mp3 downloads are now, through many digital music sites, available so that they can not only be downloaded for your computer or your phone or portable device, but they can be burned to CDs as well. I was so grateful to discover this.....after many hours spent trying to find any "hard copy" form of several of the ones I wanted from Todd's catalogue.


As I have said so many times....one of the absolute BEST things in life, for me, is when I discover (or when someone introduces me to) "new music". Now, that doesn't necessarily mean newly written/recorded, and it OFTEN is the discovery of OLD music that I had not known or been fully aware of. So, that is what the whole "Todd" experience is for me lately. I can now say that I have well and truly become a "Todd Head"!!!

I just cannot believe I missed so much of his music.


When this album (Healing) came out, I was so oblivious to it, except for one song, which I will mention in a minute.

It's ironic, because during the time when this album came out, it was when I first started meditating, and was actually taking classes at a weird (turns out) place called "School of Metaphysics".

Go figure......

But after discovering it (along with the rest of his catalogue) on youtube, and then discovering that I could purchase the mp3s (from Walmart online mp3s) and then burn them to a disc, well, I am one happy camper, and I cannot get enough of most of the songs on this album. (Not all, but most.)


Here is just one:



Healer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVsPUIFKtJM&playnext=1&list=PL753A27D3C6E33B8D

My child
I had a visitation in my sleep last night
Something was calling to me from a blinding light
And told me not to fear it
Hear it

It said, "It's time to make the world a little wiser.
There are enough destroyers and criticizers.
The world needs a healer, healer."

And I awoke, my heart was pounding
'Cause it was not like me to have such dreams
But I could not fall asleep for wondering
Why the messenger had come to me

My child, I am too old and I am set in my ways
But now I realize just what the voice conveyed
You will be a healer, healer

Rejoice, rejoice
Because the healer comes
The healer comes

Your destiny I lay before you
But then the choice was never yours nor mine
When it's time to take this burden on you
Then I will take the one you leave behind
You will be a healer


(Message edited by second_wind on February 15, 2011)
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Second Wind
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I hope you have some good speakers, or some headphones!!!!




Healing Part 1


Listen
Listen
Listen to the voice
the voice is an illusion
Listen to the voice
Don't let the words confuse you
'Cause you need something to concentrate on
Concentrate on me
You need something to meditate on
Meditate on me

Listen
Listen
Listen to your heart
Tune into the rhythm
Listen to your heart
Beating with precision
Like the waves upon the seaside
It goes on and on
Like the spinning of the world
It goes on and on

Listen
Listen
Listen for the sound
That is not in the music
Only you can hear it
Only you can use it
It's the sound of someone breathing
It's the breath of life
It's the sound that you are weaving
With the thread of life

Listen
Listen
Listen to the sound
Let nothing disturb you
You are in a place
Where nothing can hurt you
If you feel a strange sensation
It can do no harm
Like the spiral of creation
It will soon move on





Healing, Part 2


Where you are going
You cannot take your body
You are on a journey
The baggage is too heavy

You can leave your legs behind you
You will learn to fly
You can leave your arms behind you
You will touch the sky
You can leave your head behind you
You are thought itself
You can leave the rest behind you
You are breath itself

Now you are naked
There's no one here to judge you
See the clear light
Shining high above you
Though you're floating in the silence
You are not alone
For the power of your being
Keeps you flowing on

Look upon yourself
Only with compassion
Strip away the shell
Hiding your perfection
Though your past was full of darkness
Now the past is gone
And your life is starting over
It has just begun

Now you are home
Don't you recognize it?
Towering eternal
Behind the troubled thoughts that hide it
Though at times it seems so distant
It is always there
When you need its peace and power
You will know it's here





Healing, Part 3


Listen
Listen
Listen to the cry
Of a world that's calling to you
Listen to the cry
Of the helpless souls that need you
Though you may have trepidation
You can not refuse
You will find your own salvation
In the path you choose

Listen
Listen
Listen to the voice
That whispers in the silence
Listen as the voice
Solidifies your self reliance
Let the peace that you've discovered
Be a guiding light
Let the cry that you've uncovered
Set the world aright

You could not be closer to your maker
Never more or less alone
If you know thyself
There's nothing else to know
You are whole
You are whole




----------------




""......music is a language, a communication medium, that people use to convey ideas to each other."

(Todd Rundgren)



Now, I realize that his comment above, is by no means an original thought....but I just thought it was cool that I found the quote, in the process of learning so many of the lessons he has been teaching me lately.




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Mama Shine
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SW,

Thank you for this, I'm just getting to the computer and will save it for later so that I can appreciate and give it my all.

Let me take this opportunity to tell you that your appreciation and in depth study and feeling for music has been a big help to me. As a classical pianist I tried my best to stay with it but my life experiences had other plans. I won't go into it but I think you know what I mean. I missed out on a lot of music that now I wish I had been in the "frame of mind" to appreciate. I would cling to my classical training and when I wasn't at the piano I could visualize the complicated compositions. I also tried to call on the Spirit of the composers to be my teachers or at best, my friends. I had taken notes on what I thought they felt while composing and wrote the feeling on the sides of the pages of my books. It was a sight to behold..trying not to get outside the margin to the notes. Katrina washed all that away. My newer books are clean and naked and I just haven't had the heart to bring back what years of communion brought forth. So I play light classics and blues more now. Also because of u tube I can hear so much that I missed when I was so absorbed in classical. Thank you again for your sensitivity.
I must create a system, or be enslaved by another man's. ~William Blake

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Buddie
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SW excuse me for a minute to butt in..

Mamas I can relate so much
when something precious is
taken away..mine was photography
and 20 odd years and the gifts of
3 cameras later people are finally
listening to me..I don't think I'll
ever do that again..something sort
of died in me
The Earth Laughs In Flowers..
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Second Wind
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Well, I cannot claim the distinction of being "classically trained", in the sense that you mean it, Mama.

The closest I ever came to what is usually thought of as musical training, would have been in Choir, all during Jr. High and High School.
I had a very talented and locally "famous" choir teacher in High School, and he really encouraged me. As a result of his belief in me, I ended up winning both first and second division UIL regional medals for vocal solo, and a first division for Ensemble (4 voices). I was also picked to solo in my high school's Christmas and Spring concerts in my Junior year.

But that was the extent of any "real" musical training for me.

I was "schooled", however, at the feet of both of my parents, one of my uncles, and several other "teachers". They all exposed me to a huge variety of music.

For my parents and uncle, it became almost an obsession (I now see that's what it was) for them, and it all started when I was discovered to be sobbing over a piece of instrumental music at the age of 5. They sat me down, explained to me that the song also had lyrics written for it. The song was "Unchained Melody".

From that day on, it was a mission for them, to bring me to the "hi fi", and then, the "stereo", and sit me down, and say to me, "Listen to this!" Then, they would all sit back to observe my reactions, and then discuss me/my reactions among themselves, when they thought I had left the room. (I was often eavesdropping on their discussions of me.)




Anyway, thanks for your comments above, and I hope that, if you are able to find the time to listen to the songs I post, (whether the ones above, or others) that you enjoy them, and perhaps even can understand what I am trying to express with the songs I choose to post.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsAbJMgP8mQ&feature=related




Now I lay me down to sleep
I'm praying Lord my soul to keep
If I die before I wake
Somebody make a big mistake

I'm only just one little man
Just usin' up the air
Still I'm askin' anyway
Lord when I pray, please be there
Lord when I pray, please be there

Singin' OM, OM, my God, please be there

You know I'm just like all my kind
I got a weak and confused mind
When I feel a little pain
You know how I love to complain

But I try to be strong
I try hard to lift my share
I don't expect for nothing
But lord when I pray, please be there

Now I sing for you


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Second Wind
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This has always been one of my favorite Todd songs. Ever since it came out back in 1974, I had always thought that this song was about a failed romance.

But then I found this youtube video.

I had never looked at this song from this perspective.

Now, I think I understand what he was actually saying.......and I'm not sure why I never really heard the lyrics.....despite the fact that I have known them by heart since shortly after the album came out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmbWtBu8leQ&feature=related



A million old soldiers will fade away
But a dream goes on forever
I'm left standing here, I've got nothing to say
All is silent within my dream

A thousand true loves will live and die
But a dream goes on forever
The days and the years will go streaking by
But the time has stopped in my dream

We all have our everyday hopes and fears
And you'll find no exception in me
But that doesn't get me through a sea of tears
Over life's biggest tragedy

You're so long ago and so far away
But my dream lives on forever
I guess I believe that I'll see you one day
For without it there is no dream

You're so far away and so long ago
But my dream lives on forever
And how much I loved you you'll never know
Till you join me within my dream

"In the end, only kindness matters."
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chesserw
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Great song selection SW, it was our graduation class song. Roswell High School, Roswell NM, class of 1975.
God give me the grace to accept the things that I cannot change. And grant unto me the power to change the things that I cannot accept.
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Buddie
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Posted on Sunday, February 27, 2011 - 2:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Really chesserw..
did your parents ever mention
anything about that infamous
crash ?
The Earth Laughs In Flowers..
Ralph Waldo Emerson