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gridghost
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 9-2006
Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 4:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post


quote:

I think some one is using this on me, destroying my life and property. I recently saw a black muslim, on a cell phone conducting the direction this goes to in the U.S. Imagine, black radical muslims buying Russian mind control and using it on the whites to pay them back for slavery during a war on terror. The terrorists are in control of the U.S. program to protect us.




A small question... How do u know he was a muslim? Did he have a sticker, saying "i <3 Islam" or "I'm muslim" or what?...
"A mind is like a parachute. It doesnt work if it's not open"
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 1543
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Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 4:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Like I said.....distractions aside......
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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ddubbiedo
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Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Amen SW. You said a mouthfull! I am exhausted by them!
Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.

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The Watcher
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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 5:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

OK, mind control.......when I was many years younger and experimented with psychadelics which have given many others "bum trips", I was able to see new insights, to seek revelations.

My opinion of many of you (and note, not all of you) is that you allowed your mind to be controlled......either by mass brain washing or not seeking help when delusions of grandeur or persecution overwhelmed you. The human mind, and free will should be impenetrable forces of the human soul. Those who have been abducted, a different story. I personally have doubts about the sanity of those who claim to be guinea pigs for "mind control". Suspect either a brain chemistry imbalance or UFO abductions as they cause for your real or imagined symptoms
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Chr15t05
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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 7:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Jesus, Watcher. You really don't "get it" at all, do you? This makes me sad, quite honestly.

Chris
"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true."
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 1565
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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 8:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Ignorance is bliss!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 1566
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Posted on Friday, May 23, 2008 - 9:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

It's one thing to be ignorant because one doesn't have access to factual information.

It's quite another to ignore the factual information, once one has seen it.

Unfortunately, some people just simply refuse to be confused with any facts!

Frankly, those people have a fairly transparent agenda, IMO. I'm sure I am not the only one who sees that.

It reminds me of the inevitable debunkers that show up on shows supposedly devoted to investigating the UFO phenomenon.

"Phillip Klass isn't around, so who is the latest paid disinformationist for the government? Is he as dumb as Phillip Klass was?


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"Those who have been abducted, a different story."



But this thread isn't about "abductions", so that is off-topic!

Or is it?



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Canadian and U.S. Survivors Seek Justice


Just one small snippet from the above page:


"By late 1999, additional Canadian women and men came forward to claim they were used in prison and hospital experiments in the 1960s and 1970s. A class-action suit against the prison system was filed anonymously by "Jane Doe," a 75-year-old grandmother who realized after reading newspaper stories that she was one of the 23 women who were given LSD and other terrifying "treatments" without their consent while in prison . Her lawsuit charges Scott and Eveson with assault, intentional affliction of mental suffering, and negligence. Her access to the Eveson’s clinical notes, released as a result of the Proctor suit, helped her recognize what had been done to her 38 years ago."


Yeah, it's what I found in my own medical records from childhood and early adulthood, plus the fact that other crucial records just "disappeared", that was the beginning of recognition of, and the first bits of "proof" for, what had happened to me.

In truth, however, people like the "Jane Doe" above are incredibly lucky to have found corroborating medical records for the worst of what was done to them. The vast majority of the CIA's records of MKUltra experiments were destroyed prior to the Senate hearings on the program. It stands to reason that most of the doctors and others involved in those experiments, would destroy the most damaging records.

Even the records of mine that I was actually able to obtain, were not obtained until after a letter and three persistent phone calls to the medical records department of the hospital in my hometown. I think it was either incredible luck, or divine guidance, that the third phone call hooked me up with a woman who did not try to tell me (as the other contacts had done) that the records for that far back did not exist any longer. The third woman admitted that they were on microfilm, in the basement of the hospital.




And another tidbit:


Victims Seek Compensation


Documents reveal he used thousands of unwitting as well as voluntary subjects to test paralytic drugs, hallucinogens including LSD, and electro-convulsive therapy at 30 to 40 times normal power. Cameron, who died in 1967, also put many "guinea pigs" into comas for months on end while playing tapes of repetitive statements in a bid to discover if he could erase memories, then rebuild them with new information.

During an agonising legal battle which has raged since 1988, when the CIA paid nine of Cameron&#146;s Canadian victims $67,000 each, Canada&#146;s government has stone­walled hundreds of claims.

Up to last week, it had paid $100,000 (£49,700) each to 77 victims whose cases were so extreme that they were reduced to permanent childlike states.

Last Tuesday Janine Huard, now 79, became the first "still sane" survivor to be offered compensation, and legal experts believe her secret settlement will open the floodgates for other victims.

Janine said: "The money will allow me to live out my days as I have always wanted, with peace of mind. I am so ex­hausted from fighting for so many years."





Incidently Watcher, I am not posting this info for your benefit, since you told me that you "never read" my posts on "this subject".

Of course, you told me, a few sentences later, that you "do enjoy" my "very insightful" posts, and to "keep up the good work"!

You must have meant my "other" posts.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Dr. Newel
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Posted on Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 6:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

There are people running around operating machinery, that is just under the realm of perception of the brain, but penetrate the mind and cognition.
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Second Wind
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Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 7:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

See the Dreamland topic area for the thread about "A very important radio broadcast", for an excellent interview with someone who KNOWS about this monster of a subject.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Dr. Newel
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Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2008 - 5:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

"...either by mass brain washing or not seeking help when delusions of grandeur or persecution overwhelmed you..."

It's a shame what popular psychology has done, to our culture. These terms require a very detailed analysis to equate for each one.

Just because you don't like someone, it doesn't mean they have Schizophrenia. For example, Schizophrenia was first diagnosed as old age dementia in a small group of German test subjects.
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fortwynt
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Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2008 - 9:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I have a question about ear "tubes"...you know those things they put in kids ears...what are these things and what is their purpose? What do they look like and has there been any significant change in their design over the past, say, 20 years or so?

I ask because I can clearly remember when I was like 10 years old or so, maybe a little younger, having something fall out of my ear one day....it was metal im pretty sure, and resembled a very small watch battery, at least in size...but it had a weird structure to it, and i never really knew what it was.

I know I had "tubes" at a really young age, like right out of the hospital after birth, at least that's what i've been told, but I wonder if this was one of them which had fallen out or something else.
"The trouble with the rat-race is that, even if you win, you're still a rat."
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ariez
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Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2008 - 11:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

It's been a while since someone mentioned those tubes for their child's ears...I can't remember if there's more to it...seems children prone to ear infections can be helped by inserting those tubes, especially if their ear canals are narrow.
Bacteria like to breed in overly moist warm little spaces, so the tubes help keep all that open and less infection prone.
The small watch battery like thing sounds different, don't know what that would be.
As kids we like to shove things up our noses, in our ears, etc.... sounds like it would have been kinda large and clunky to be an implant...unless they dusted off some old early model gizmo from the back of the shelf and shoved it into place..hehh
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fortwynt
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Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 12:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

well, i think i found the culprit, mystery solved, that pretty much sounds like what it was.
"The trouble with the rat-race is that, even if you win, you're still a rat."
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fortwynt
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Post Number: 5971
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Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 12:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

although on this sitethey claim:

How long do the tubes stay in? The duration of tube retention is related several factors...especially tube design. For the average child, we usually recommend a tube that stays in, on average, about 8-12 months. In certain situations, such as children having multiple sets of tubes, cleft palate patients (who may need tubes for a longer time), or other patients with chronic eustachian tube dysfunction, we may place longer acting tubes...such as a Touma T-tube or a Goode T-tube.


Mine defintely fell out nearly a decade late.



ah well lol.
"The trouble with the rat-race is that, even if you win, you're still a rat."
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ariez
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Posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 - 1:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

interesting, I didn't know they actually penetrated the eardrum. Guess that's one way to get to the middle ear.
Seems odd they just leave it in...yours was a wee bit stubborn apparently.
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Dr. Newel
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Posted on Wednesday, July 02, 2008 - 8:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

NJ-NY Train Station
AUDIBLE Mind
Control Programming

Yesterday--July 1st, 2008--at about11:30 or so, I went to the Jersey City N.J. PATH station to take the train in to Manhattan. When I came thru the door, the first thing I noticed was that the address system was on...so I stopped to listen. Figured that it would be the usual "train late--something's out of service" type of message. It wasn't. It was incredibly odd.

http://www.rense.com/general82/aud.htm
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Second Wind
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Posted on Thursday, July 03, 2008 - 4:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

It's just a matter of time.

They installed the big EAS towers here some time after 9/11. When they conduct the weekly tests, it gives me the absolute creeps, and I, too, would swear that my head vibrates. However, I have gotten that head vibration at other times....for no "apparent" reason, and from no "apparent" source.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Dr. Newel
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Posted on Monday, July 21, 2008 - 3:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

"...I ask because I can clearly remember when I was like 10 years old or so, maybe a little younger, having something fall out of my ear one day....it was metal im pretty sure, and resembled a very small watch battery, at least in size...but it had a weird structure to it, and i never really knew what it was..."

This is one of those stories, like the ten year old who woke from a long nap and found a coin from the year ahead in time.

A metal device that falls out of the ear sounds like an implant to me. Get an xray, not an MRI.

I get a head vibration as well. Only in the Bay Area.

(Message edited by drnewel on July 21, 2008)
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Second Wind
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 2:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I guess it's a bit late to bring this up, but I just discovered it myself.

On C2C right now, there is a very interesting show.

"Private investigator specializing in electronic counter-measures, Roger Tolces will discuss how surveillance and harassment has shifted from hardware to bio-coded directed energy."


They will be discussing electronic mind control, surveillance and harassment.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 2:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

One of the witnesses on the show is discussing how her parakeets were tortured with this technology.

It's the first time I have actually HEARD a witness describe their pets being targetted. I went through this with my little dog, who died Nov. 3, 2006. They slowly killed him.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 4:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

There was a time, not so long ago, when George Noory (and Art Bell, as well) would scoff at anyone who called in with stories about being targetted with this kind of technology and tactics.

He says now, he has changed his mind.


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In the "Dreams" thread, there has been discussion recently about the strange/vivid/"artificial"-quality dreams some of us are having.

One of the callers into C2C just described this.

Listening to this show is like listening to someone describe what I have been through.

I am grateful (and knock on wood) that the intensity and frequency (as in how often) of the stuff being done to me, has diminished significantly over the past year and 1/2. I would say, it has reduced by about 75%.

I do not know why. I have speculations as to why, but that's all it is; speculation.......just as the opinions I have about how/when/why these things became part of my life, are just speculation.

But in both cases, it is, however, speculation informed with knowledge gained over the past 8 years.

Incredibly good show tonight on Coast.

People can only scoff if they CHOOSE to remain ignorant about these topics.....

OR, if they are intentional disinfo agents.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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fortwynt
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 4:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

mine is the exact opposite sw.

in the past my dreams were in my total control, and i do mean that in the literal since.

but lately, let's say in the past few years maybe 3 maybe 4, my dreams have taken on (majority) this "movie-like" quality.

of course i have entered a serious relationship and had my first child, another on the way, so perhaps this is reflected in my dreams as me having less control, but then again it could be the other thing as well.

all i know is that there are many times now i feel in my dreams like i am just "riding" along behind my eyes while my body (or whoever's body i am in let's say) does its thing.

a VERY foreign concept to me.
"The trouble with the rat-race is that, even if you win, you're still a rat."
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Second Wind
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Posted on Wednesday, August 06, 2008 - 5:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

The final caller to the show described the classic "UFO/blue light/abduction" "dreams", and how she feels that they are completely artificially induced.
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allen
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Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 3:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Has there been a study done on the use of COLOR in mind control. I seem to be noticing alot of the color blue in advertisements lately.
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Second Wind
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Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 1:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Colors are just one "thing" that can be used as post-hypnotic anchors.....in other words, like in "The Manchurian Candidate", Raymond's hypnotic trigger was "the Red Queen" (the Queen of Diamonds).



HERE we have a (seemingly) harmless and innocent use of color anchoring to post-hypnotic suggestions.

Given what that link mentions about the color blue, you might consider what specific commercials you have seen where you noticed the color blue.

(I would be very interested to know some examples of these commercials you have seen, by the way!_

Colors have been "well known" to produce certain states of mind in many people, and even have specific healing properties. As in so many areas of mind control, this positive and naturally beneficial property of colors, can be hijacked and used for ill.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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allen
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Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Very interesting SW. One example would be the new Walmart commercial, with blue everywhere.
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Lassen Sage
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SW,Colors do influence us without a doubt. I got really tired of constantly changing clothes to settle down my energy body,if I didn't PTSD kicked my physical body into a state of panic.

It was a great relief to find the stones and crystals worked much better for me.

I just gave away another rose quartz necklace and a hunk of rhodonite to a friend.As soon as she came in my house I felt such a pain in my heart chakra that I knew what she needed.Now she can get through the next couple of wks until she gets moved.She is moving down the street from me after a yr and a half of planning.

So just some pink stones and her racing heart is staying much calmer.

I watch little TV,but yes that colors are influencing.I don't know how they would apply them for what ends,but they must try it as it does affect us more then most folks realize.
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Second Wind
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Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 4:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Allen, yes.....the Wal-mart commercials are pretty saturated with blue, aren't they. Blue and yellow!

Interestingly, if someone had asked me what retail establishments I associate with blue and yellow, Wal-mart would come to mind first, followed by Best Buy.

Think of the color scheme of red-and-white (not to mention the symbol of the target) for Target stores. Very effective ads......and yet, I shop in Wal-Mart more often than I do in Target, primarily because of groceries, hardware, garden center, and other things not available at Target.


Lassen Sage, something tells me you would be interesting and calming to be around!!!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Lassen Sage
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Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2008 - 6:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Second Wind,I am especially good at putting folks to sleep,except for myself that is.Thanks
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Second Wind
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Posted on Sunday, December 07, 2008 - 6:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

This thread is getting too close to the bottom for my comfort.

BUMP
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Second Wind
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Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 3:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Just thought I would mention (and use it as a bump).......

Did anybody who is familiar with Dr. Nick Begich realize that he is the brother of Alaska Senator-Elect Mark Begich?

It's interesting that someone as vocal on the mind control subject has a brother with a successful political career.

Not exactly sure what I think about that.

Nick had a slightly lower profile most of 2008, though....although, he was on with Whit in July, I think.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 4:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

So, let's watch some TV!





(Disclaimer: I object to one speaker on this piece using the term "Jews" as opposed to the term Zionists. Nevertheless, her primary point is spot-on.)
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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fortwynt
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Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 4:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

*sniff sniff* feeling left out
You can't comfort the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable.

--Princess Diana of Wales
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Second Wind
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Warning: these videos contain some graphic and extremely disturbing images, not to mention subject matter.


MKULTRA Scientists and Their "Work"


"Dr. Persinger perfected a means to make experimental subjects feel that they had been abducted by aliens, or had an encounter with angels or God....."









Trojan Horse




"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 5:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

They will still be here when you get to your own computer.


It's not that it's new information......just very powerful presentations.
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fortwynt
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Posted on Wednesday, January 14, 2009 - 8:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

well at least this thread is preserved.

I spent all night last night at work puking about every half hour, for 12 hours straight, for no apparent reason, so i spent all day in bed.

lets see how this night goes.
You can't comfort the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable.

--Princess Diana of Wales
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Second Wind
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Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 2:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

bummer, fort!

So, you don't think you ate something weird, or drank too much?

Makes me wonder about the salmonella outbreaks......although, I think that would cause more than puking.

Anyway.....yeah, I guess I consider it my job to tend, and post info to, this, and a couple of other, threads.

If they wake somebody up, then it's more than worth my time.

If not, well, no big loss of time, anyway. And even in seemingly repetetive material, I always learn new tidbits of information.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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fortwynt
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I initially thought that I may have eaten something foul...I suppose its possible.

I recall having a dream a couple of days ago of some drops being put into my ear or my head somehow that made some nasty stuff come out...then a day later im puking all night HMM...maybe my body knew something i wasn't consciously aware of at the time.

and as a side note i champion you for posting the things you do on this thread and others, especially about this topic...do continue.
You can't comfort the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable.

--Princess Diana of Wales
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Second Wind
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Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2009 - 5:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thanks for the support, fortwynt.

Now, I have to take part of what you just said back over to the "dreams" thread!!
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Lassen Sage
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Sorry you've been feeling under the weather fort. You gotta be sore,,,I hope you kept sipping water so you didn't have those nasty dry heaves...cream of wheat, then plain rice would be what I'd feed you...... and I hope you are keeping liquids down, now.

For relief of churning energy in your tummy(2nd and 3rd chakras) try placing anything orange next to your skin...clothes, warm wet washcloth, or orange stones like orange calcite, carnelian, orange quartz..............................

Also wearing natural fiber clothing,,,cotton helps this area to not feel blocked,,,ans finally,, a nausea pressure point,,,squeeze wrist just below base of palm.

Sounds like the Old Souls Home around here lately, laid back and mellow...way to roll
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blue
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I recall having a dream a couple of days ago of some drops being put into my ear or my head somehow that made some nasty stuff come out...then a day later im puking all night HMM...maybe my body knew something i wasn't consciously aware of at the time.

just a thought that entered my mind when reading this -- I have observed that before coming down w/my version of the virus that plagues us -- a repeated tickling in my ear -- very annoying and outta reach except perhaps w/those forbidden objects -- Qtips ~

I also noticed others around me complaining of "something" in their ear -- and indeed it does feel as tho some kind of bug/insect is crawling around inside one's ear ~

anyway to make a long story short, I have found something that works for me -- hydrogen peroxide on a Q tip in the ear. I do this periodically when virus/es seem to be running rampant. I got the hydrogen peroxide tip years ago from a brother-in-law for wax buildup. I also use peppermint oil on a Qtip up the nose (one drop is plenty) -- both nostrils. It seems to help keep 'germs' at bay --certainly clears up the passages and -- altho its more costly than a warm salt water treatment -- it takes less time.

As someone who is constantly exposed thru touch w/other people's germs, I cannot overestimate the value of keeping one's hands clean.
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Those are very good tips (pun intended)!!

I use the peroxide on the Qtips for my ears, as well. Nobody told me about it, though...I don't think, anyway. It just seemed logical.

I use it especially when I just get out of a hot shower. It does seem to help.

That "buggy" feeling is so creepy and irritating. And, yeah, just out of reach, like you said....







As for dreams, I wish I had dreams that were understandable to me. They are just too weird. They are like nonsense, and don't seem to relate to anything in my life.

They seem completely artificial.

Had a doozie last night.

Sheesh.
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That 12 hour throw up flu is a virus that seems to be making the rounds. They did a peace on the news the other day, and said it was norovirus. Make sure you keep lots of electrolite fluids around in case the little ones get it. I know this has nothing whatsoever to do with mind control, sorry.
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no problem....



I had not heard of this virus.

(SW says prayers of protection...)
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Prompted by the thread with the discussion of the "hum" sounds that people hear, and especially prompted by Whitley's post on that thread, I decided to post this very long article.

The reason I saved this particular article as a text document (and thank God I did, since it cannot be found online now) was because of the uncanny similarities in several areas that this story had to wome of the things I was experiencing at that time (approx. 2000).

And, I am not just talking about similarities in the hearing of the sound, but even in terms of the anomalous lights that accompanied the sound activity at times, and the harassment the couple received, and right down to the fact that I had a very mysterious set of "neighbors" who lived in a direct line of sight from me, at about a 1-mile distance, who lived in an extremely strange large metal home, equipped with strange antennas and dishes, and an underground bunker.

(It was also strange to learn that, within a few months of when I finally moved away from that rural location, these "neighbors" put the "house" up for sale. It stayed on the market for over 6 months.)


Anyway, here is the article:




Victims of Dargle Cottage

Anthony and Doreen Verney had recently retired. After a lifetime of hard work, they had high hopes of living out their days in peace and tranquillity in a small cottage in Kent. However, it was not meant to be; their dream was soon shattered by a nightmare experience when they became unwitting 'guinea pigs' in a mysterious experiment.

My careful and thorough research has failed to unearth anything to question the honesty, integrity or even the patriotism of this elderly couple. The Verneys are but one of several examples I have encountered in my experience who have come forward despite having lost everything, including their health, and spoken up with bravery about their frightening ordeals.

As will be seen, cases like the Verneys' make it all too important to bring to justice those dark forces that operate with legislators' immunity. These cases also remind us of the urgent need for a Bill of Rights in the UK as well as freedom of access to information to a much greater degree than is possible at present. For, the leprosy of secrecy has long eroded democracy in Britain today.

The Verney's torture began in Autumn 1983, and the results of all attempts at redress on their parts can be summed up by one official letter:

'I acknowledge receipt of your complaint to the Security Service Tribunal which was received on 3 May 1990. The Security Service Act 1989 came into force on 18 December 1989 and is not retrospective [emphasis added]. You have stated in your complaint that the events to which you refer took place between January 1984 and November 1984 and they are not therefore within the jurisdiction of the tribunal, [emphasis added]

I am sorry that I cannot be more helpful. J.R. Harmer, Tribunal Secretary"

Dargle Cottage is situated about a mile and a half south-east of the village of Biddenden in Kent. Being an old woodcutter's cottage dating back to the days of the Battle of Waterloo, it stands in an isolated and secluded position, surrounded by thick woods. The Verneys acquired the cottage in the spring of 1969 and used it as their weekend holiday home. When they retired in the summer of 1983, they decided to move from their London flat and make the cottage their permanent home. Throughout the year, they spent a considerable amount of their savings on improvements to the cottage, as well as furniture, to make the cottage comfortable for their retirement days.

Anthony Verney had been an inspector for The Good Food Guide for 25 years and he had also worked for the Consumers Association on the Good Hotel Guide. Both Mr Verney and his wife had been looking into expanding their interest in these fields during their retirement. For, as well as working in the consumer rights field, Mr Verney was also a founder of the Writer's Guild of Great Britain, and he enjoyed writing for theatre, film and television. He planned to return to his writing as his main pastime, and hoped to form a new company to market his work. As both of the Verneys had worked in theatre from an early age, they were anticipating an enjoyable time.

Approximately three-quarters of a mile away, to the north-west of their cottage, was a 'timber yard' which manufactured gates and fences. In the years leading up to their retirement, there had been very little noise from the yard; all the couple would hear was the occasional staff call on the tannoy system. However, in early September 1983, the Verneys noticed a marked increase in machinery noise from the yard. They initially dismissed this as being a result of the firm's expansion, which meant that new water mains and drains were being installed.

Mr Verney felt that the management was perhaps not taking the appropriate steps to minimise the increased noise levels, and decided to speak to the works manager, who showed some level of concern. However, his further approach to the managing director bore little result. He told Mr Verney that the firm had been in business since 1940 and that they were making no more noise than before. I should add that that part of Kent has had a large number of military establishments since 1940.

On 1 October 1983, while they were entertaining a visitor, the couple heard a mysterious noise. It was completely different to any noise that had ever come from the timber yard before. The noise was loud and humming, and it extended to the entire area of the back of their cottage. It seemed as if the noise was coming up from the ground from an area about twenty yards away, close to the woods. They reported that the noise seemed to penetrate every cell in their bodies and bones, and that it was unlike anything they had heard before.

The strange noise continued over the next four days and nights. What stood out to them as being unusual was that as soon as the noise started, all other sounds in the wood died almost immediately, as if all the wildlife in the area had left the area. Much later, the Verneys noticed that the birds did not return to nest the following spring. After four days, the Verneys were at their wits' end, and they decided to go away on a holiday on 5 October 1983, in the hope that the noise would have vanished by the time they returned. Little did they know that their troubles had only just started.


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When they returned on 25th October 1983, they noticed a marked increase in the sound levels; it was all around their house and at times it even seemed as if it was coming from inside the cottage itself. They also found that there was an added element; in the early hours of each morning, the noise took on a throbbing and vibrating quality. And, as the Verneys later complained: 'The woods to the north-east were lit up by yellow and pink lights, which appeared to come up through the ground, lighting up the trees; a similar effect to a theatre cyclorama.'2

When they returned, they discovered that their drains from the kitchen sink had been blocked with lumps of broken asphalt, which had to be cleared by hand. They had no idea who might have done this or why. By the beginning of November 1983, the situation had worsened. Although the humming had decreased, it had been replaced with a powerful throbbing noise with a regular beat. It was accompanied by violent vibrations, which seemed to come through the ground, enveloping their cottage and the surrounding area, and the sound was at its loudest in the small hours of the morning.3 At times, it felt as if someone was deliberately trying to torture them when they most needed to rest.

The noise got steadily worse during November that year and interfered with their sleep at nights. The couple feared that the sound (which was composed of low frequency vibrations) was becoming a health hazard, and might be affecting their central nervous systems. Supposing that it might be emanating from a water pump or other agricultural activity, they made enquiries with the local Water Board, but the authorities assured them that they had no facilities in the area that could make such a noise.

Each night, the Verneys went out in a desperate attempt to locate the source of the noise. This proved impossible as it appeared to move around. In the course of one of their night searches on 24 November, they encountered a police patrol at about 1 am. The strange noises were loud enough to be heard by the two officers, who thought that it might be coming from Shorts Wood to the north-east. The policemen promised to report the matter and contact the Verneys if they could locate the source.

On the afternoon of Saturday, November 26, Mr. Verney called in at their local police station in Tenterden, where he was interviewed by the station sergeant. He discovered the police patrol had not reported the problem. Verney filed a complaint in the desk book (which was recorded in pencil) but otherwise the station sergeant proved to be unhelpful. He was told it was not a police matter, and that he should contact the local Environmental Health Department. However, he says he was also told by the officer that, 'You won't get much help from them. They are bloody useless.'

The following day, Verney called the Environmental Health Department. Since none of the officers were in, he left his telephone number with a secretary to whom he explained the nature of the problem. Disappointed with not receiving a call from an Environmental Health Officer (EHO), by December 1, the couple decided to get away from the place and the problem for a short while. The level of electronic noise was becoming intolerable.

The Verneys returned to the cottage on 6 December 1983. There were no messages on their answer phone from the environment people. Mr Verney left further messages for the EHO, never receiving a reply. He also wrote to the Borough Treasurer's Department, complaining about the noise pollution and requesting a reduction in rates.

The Verneys made inquiries to the Planning Department of their local council to see if there was planning permission for a building or housing unit that could be the cause of the troubling noise. None of these inquiries bore any meaningful fruit. Instead the situation became worse still; life was rapidly becoming intolerable inside the house.

Other factors were adding their already difficult living conditions; their electricity supply started to fluctuate. The electricity levels would increase and decrease for no apparent reason and, being their main source of energy, they were sometimes unable to cook, or even turn their lights on. On other occasions the lights would go up and down in intensity - eerily at one-minute intervals.

The same electricity sub-station also supplied the timber yard. Mr Verney complained to SEEBoard, the South East Electricity Board, explaining to Mr Green (the Chief Electrical Engineer) the nature of the problem and the trouble they were having. He mooted the possibility that some electrical instrument in the timber yard could be drawing off too much power. Green seemed concerned and promised to see to the problem immediately.

On 20 December 1983, at about 5 am, the surrounding woods were full of SEEBoard men carrying out work on the power lines. A task force of about eight workers and two vans spent several hours on the site. Green himself was in charge, and explained to Verney that they were 'putting more power into the lines.' However, he failed to explain what was causing the problem. The electricity supply was improved, although the lighting continued to fluctuate for several weeks afterwards.

Having heard nothing from the EHO, the Verneys were not prepared to spend the forthcoming Christmas holiday being battered by noise or vibrations. Verney decided to seek independent advice and contacted a firm of acoustic engineers in Maidstone.

A representative of the firm came to see them that evening, 20 December 1983. Despite the wind and rain, the acoustic expert obtained a very strong reading on his instrument, especially from the vibrations. The expert stated that the main source was within less than a mile radius of the house. He said that he would report his findings to the EHO.

Eventually, on December 21, at about 4:45 pm, an EHO officer phoned Verney, who outlined the nature of the problem to him. Verney says the EHO was most unforthcoming and would promise neither to look into the matter, nor take any action under the Control of Pollution Act. What was more annoying was the EHO's outright rejection of the possibility of putting equipment in the cottage to measure the noise level. The EHO claimed not to have any suitable instruments. Despite Verney offering to obtain the instruments himself, the EHO rejected any assistance and moreover, seemed to consider it improper that Verney had offered in the first place.

Despite the EHO's rebuff, Mr Verney called the same officer again the very next day to ask for help before the Christmas holidays began. He was met with the same cold response. In complete desperation, Verney decided to take control of the situation. He travelled to London to see if he could hire some instruments to record the noise levels.



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As it was the run-up to Christmas, the electrical shops were open late, and he found one on Tottenham Court Road, which had highly sophisticated equipment.

Verney explained what was happening to two members of staff. He was perturbed when they quickly exchanged glances, and one of them said: "It sounds as if you are having trouble with the Ministry of Defence (MOD). You won't get anywhere with them."

Sensing Verney's anxiety, they introduced him to a colleague who, they said, was a leading electronic scientist - 'and just the man for you.' He was promised help after the Christmas holidays.

For the whole time that this had been going on, the Verneys had not thought for one moment that the noise might be anything more than ordinary noise pollution. Like any other citizen in similar circumstances, they had assumed that it would be a simple industrial noise that could be dealt with through their local government authorities. The last thing Verney had suspected was MOD involvement.

But with this new possibility, the reluctance of the EHO to help along with the police's refusal to pursue the matter became clear. Additionally, Verney soon discovered that the MOD is not subject to the Control of Pollution Act (or any related civil law for that matter.)

The couple began to grow increasingly uneasy, and they wondered whether they might be under surveillance, and they began to suspect that there might be a tap on their phone. While carrying out searches of their district trying to locate the source, the Verneys' curiosity was aroused by a new house that had been built only two years earlier. It was situated on Gribble Bridge Lane, in a direct line through the woods with their own cottage. The house was described on planning documents as a farm, but there were no signs of any agricultural activity apart from some beehives.

The house was surrounded with high hedges and was somewhat curious in its construction. It was two storiess high, but there were no windows on the second floor or at the back of the house - only on each side. It reminded Mr Verney of the edifices built by the German Army on the Channel coast during the Second World War.

Thick, opaque floor-length net curtains blocked the view into the ground floor windows. It later emerged that these were made from a textile manufactured exclusively for the Property Services Agency of the Department of the Environment. This textile was used to protect high security buildings such as those owned by the Ministry of Defence and the Security Services. They were not the sort of curtains that one would expect to see in an agricultural dwelling, which was the designation that was given in the planning permission by Ashford Borough Council.

At the front of the building, to the right from the road, there was some kind of bunker with a large mushroom-shaped air vent. The bunker ran down the side of the house for some distance. Having made further enquiries, Verney discovered that the telephone number for the house was classified. He found out that there was a couple in their forties living there, and that there were Doberman dogs guarding the premises.

The low frequency transmission ran throughout Christmas Eve. Verney noted: 'The nights were awful, with lots of activity with the lights in and around the house.' The Verneys could not get any sleep and were totally exhausted.

On Christmas morning, when the rest of the country was opening their presents, the Verneys set out on foot in desperation, trying to pinpoint the source of the noise. It was audible most of the time. But, like a will'o'the wisp, it still seemed to move around, as if lost in folds in the ground. It seemed to be located in an area north of Shorts Wood, and close to the Gribble Stream, in accordance with the fix that the electronics expert had made.

Verney's local authority had produced a leaflet entitled 'Taking Action On A Noise Situation' which covered pollution caused by noisy parties, radios, and barking dogs among other things. Under the legislation quoted there was, alas, no provisions for the type of noise the Verneys were suffering. In any case, in order to take action they had to locate and identify those responsible. Further to the advice given by the Council, they nevertheless started a log detailing the times and the nature of the disturbances to their lives.

Due to the mental pressure, the Verneys decided they would eventually have to move out. On 29 December 1983, the couple made a firm offer for a new house at Streat in Sussex. Upon their return to their cottage the noise was still there: a loud humming as well as the thump of the low frequency. It continued all day.

The Verneys' log gives a detailed account of its effects on the couple from 26 December 1983 until 20 May 1984:

'LOG BOOK - DARGLE COTTAGE, BOXING DAY, 26/12/1983

'The noise and vibrations went on at a high level all through the night. Sleep was impossible. The noise peaked at 4.15am, vibrations and a loud humming with a metallic note. The sound was recorded.'

'At first light there was a new feature. Horseshoe shaped lights moved across the sky from west to east, low against the background of the trees. The objects were lit up, like flying tiaras. They were three in number. They disappeared, losing height over the Shorts Wood - Gribble Wood area.'

'27/12/1983'

'Impossible to get much sleep in the early hours. A big escalation at 3:50 am in noise and vibrations, and a loud humming. Activity with light goes on and off [flying tiaras]. At 5:45 am the noise and vibrations increased still more and with a faster beat. The flying tiaras appeared again, flying from west to east as before.'

Not having had any rest, the Verneys decided to leave their cottage and seek refuge at the Halland Motel in East Sussex. They had begun to believe that the low frequency transmissions were in fact pouring radiation into their home. Neither the police nor the council were willing to take any action.

On 18 January 1984, according to an arrangement they had made earlier, Mr Verney drove to Wapping to pick up Mr D., the electronics expert that he had met in London before Christmas. They stopped off for lunch at the Three Chimneys Public House, but while they were eating, his car was broken into, his cheque book and January bank statement (outlining expenditure in the month of December) were stolen.

When they arrived at the cottage, there was - unusually - no noise that could be heard. Ten minutes later, the EHO suddenly appeared. Verney had not told them about the arrangement to bring the scientist back, but the council official seemed agitated, and moreover, he knew Mr D's name. 'So - you are Mr D,' he said. The sight of the equipment obviously made the official extremely uneasy. 'What is going on here?' he asked. He then proceeded to cross-examine Mr D on what he was going to do and where he came from.

His behaviour was more like a police interrogator than a local authority employee. He then returned the tape recordings of the noise Mr Verney had made without making any comments about them.

Mr. D was suspicious about a bandage on the EHO's finger, which extended some way beyond the end of the digit; he worried that it hid some form of two-way radio. Major Fred Holroyd, a former intelligence officer in Northern Ireland, has said he was in possession of a unit of this kind when serving in Ulster - and that it was supplied to him by the SAS. Such an instrument would have been in possession of the Joint Intelligence Training Unit at Ashford, Kent, in 1984. On the way back to his car, the EHO commented that he could hear no noise. However, just as he said this there was a sudden, intense flurry of sound, and he cried, 'I have never heard that so loud.'

Mr D came out to lower a rifle-microphone into the well outside the front of the house, to see what he could pick up. In response to Mr D's invitation to stay and see the results, the EHO said he had seen and heard what he had come for, and left. There was a high positive reading of vibrations inside the well, which must have been propagated through the ground.

Mr Verney was convinced that the only way the EHO could have known the name, and time of arrival of the scientist, was by their phone being tapped, or some other means of eavesdropping.

Mr D stayed for seven hours, during which time, the noise level mysteriously abated. Mr Verney took him back to London, leaving Doreen Verney on her own. This was a mistake, as not long after their departure, the noise and vibrations began again. It was as though they were being watched. Mrs Verney said the next day that she had had the most terrible night yet. She claims that as a result of that night, her hair turned white within forty-eight hours. At the end of his tether, Mr Verney rang the EHO once more. Yet again, his cries for help fell on deaf ears.

By now, it was clear that the source of the noise and vibrations was under the ground. When Mr. Verney had played one of his recordings to a caller from the 'Agricultural Dwelling' department in the council, the lady listener was shocked and alarmed. 'Oh,' she cried, 'is it THAT bad?' She then promised to help to find the culprits. But as soon as Verney said he suspected the source to be an underground installation less than a mile from their cottage, she hung up and they never heard from her again.


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On 21 March 1984, the couple put the cottage on the market for sale. The Verneys spent as little time as they could in the house - no more than two nights at a time - and in April they found a prospective buyer. On 5 April 1984, they received a call at their London flat from a Detective Constable George Keeler of Ashford CID, to the effect that a window had been broken at their home in Kent, but that no-one had apparently broken in.

On returning they found the hall was full of splinters, and there were white paint particles from the door in the hall leading into the main part of the house. It had been kicked in and the mortice lock was left hanging. The intruders had exited by a stable-type door at the rear.

The matter was reported to Tenterden Police Station. DC Keeler was somewhat uneasy to hear that despite his earlier report to the Verneys, the place had in fact been entered. It was obvious the police had not made a proper check.

What was peculiar was that nothing of value was stolen, except Mr Verney's private papers relating to his tax, some private letters of a personal nature from a Privy Counsellor and former Cabinet Minister, a friend of the family of many years standing, and part of a bar of Bournville chocolate. Someone had gone through his desk in the study and had checked the contents of his files. Keeler said sarcastically, 'I suppose I better look for someone with chocolate on their teeth.'

The Verneys spent seven nights in May in the cottage. Despite some very bad nights of noise, it was not as extreme as before. On May 18, their daughter and a friend came to spend the weekend. They helped the Verneys to pack because they were to move out shortly. That night, Mr Verney woke up with an intense burning sensation in his eyes. It was extremely painful and continued until 7am.

The Verney's daughter said that she was terrified out of her wits and that she had heard men shouting in the woods. She says that for a week after staying at the cottage she suffered serious loss of memory and was off work. On their way back home, her friend was taken ill on the Ml. Fortunately, he was able to pull off the road at a nearby service station, where he passed out.

But the worst was still yet to come. At about 1;30 am on 20 May 1984, all hell was let loose at Dargle cottage. The noise was at its highest level yet heard. The vibrations tore through the ground of the woods and towards the house, and the vibrations were at a frightening level; literally shaking the building in its foundations. Similar kinds of bangs to those heard previously came from the woods until after 7 am.

Anthony and Doreen Verney were totally shattered and feeling extremely ill. They had to abandon the house once more. They moved out on the morning of 23 May 1984 with Doreen in great pain, hardly able to walk.

Mrs Verney was later confined to an old people's rest home. She had aged tremendously due to the torment she had been put through. Mr Verney was also old and frail, but remained brave and bold. For a man who had fought the Nazis, it seemed his country had failed him. The question remained: what was causing the noise?

Footnotes

1. Letter dated 3 May 1990, from the Security Service Tribunal to Mr. A.R. Verney.

2. Telephone conversation between the author and Mr. Verney, also his notes entitled 'The Happy Retirement', [copy enclosed]

3. Mr Verney provided the author with copies of the noise tape recorded at various dates throughout their ordeal. The noise is identical to another tape provided to the author by Mr. Joe Vialls (another victim) whose account is documented in 'Open Verdict'; Tony Collins, Sphere Books Ltd., 1990. Dr Robert Becker, a world authority on microwaves, has examined Mr. Verney's tapes. Dr Becker has been a candidate for the Nobel Prize in Physics, and his books (Cross Current and Body Electric) provide an in depth and peer account on the biological effects of microwaves. The author has also had several conversations with Dr Becker concerning these tapes and the status of the current technologies available to the military today.

4. This seems to be the case. Several residents in Wales and North Yorkshire have been continuously complaining about the noise of low flying RAF fighter aircraft on residential areas without much success.

5. See note 2.

6. See note 3.



Chapter Eight

Passing the Buck

One report from US files may have a bearing on the Verneys' plight: 'A decoy and deception concept presently being considered is to remotely create the perception of noise in the heads of personnel by exposing them to low power, pulsed microwaves. When people are illuminated with properly modulated low power microwaves the sensation is reported as a buzzing, clIcking, or hissing which seems to originate (regardless of the person's position in the field) within or just behind the head. The phenomenon occurs at average power densities as low as microwatts per square centimetre with carrier frequencies from 0.4 to 3.0 Ghz. By proper choice of pulse characteristics, intelligible speech may be created. Before this technique may be extended and used for military applications, an understanding of the basic principles must be developed. Such an understanding is not only required to optimize the use of the concept for camouflage, decoy and deception operations but is required to properly evaluate safety factors of such microwave exposure. Oscar, Kenneth J. US Army Mobility Equipment Research and Development Command - Fort Belvoir, VA

Mr and Mrs Verney believed they were subjected to an array of hazardous non-ionizing irradiation, Very Low Frequency (VLF) pulses, over a considerable period of time. They also believe they were attacked on about eight occasions by an electromagnetic pulse, which must have been deliberately deployed against them.

The effects of VLF on the human system have been well documented. Both VLF and ELF (extremely low frequency) are non-ionizing radiation, which causes serious disturbance in the blood cells. VLF in particular attacks the lower nervous system and effects the lower half of the body, the lumbar region, as well as the lower part of the spine, thighs and upper legs. It causes serious disorientation, headaches and ringing in the ears. Depression and irritability are other side effects, plus the loss of memory.

When the Verneys left Dargle Cottage at the end of January 1984, they drove to Scotland. They felt they were so saturated with radiation that they had become sensitised to it.

Mr Verney said his body 'could pick up' on a generator over a mile away. 'It is a very strange sensation; at times the body feels as if it is on fire.'

Doreen said she could detect electrical junction boxes over quarter of a mile away. She had a ringing in her ears for over ten days afterwards. This increased at times when she was in the vicinity of an electrical transmission.

She said that electromagnetic pulses caused an excruciating headache, as if an electrical drill was boring into it. She would bury her head under bedclothes but the effects were even worse - because when there was no noise, it caused complete disorientation.



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In January and February 1984, Mrs Doreen Verney suffered two attacks of severe stomach cramps, accompanied by vomiting. This is usually the first indication of the effects of radiation, which is described as such in the manuals issued to the Armed Forces by the MOD. She was ill throughout March, and in early April her GP sent her to be examined by a specialist in cancer. Various tests failed to uncover anything serious.

Following the attack on Dargle Cottage on 20 May 1984, she became more seriously ill. On the morning of 23 May 1984, when they moved out, she had severe pain in her legs and lumbar region, and she was almost unable to walk. Further medical tests once more failed to reveal the cause.

She then began to suffer from attacks of diarrhea. Her health continued to deteriorate during June and July 1984 and she put on a great deal of weight around the waist - formerly she had been a very fit and slim person. Further blood tests, X-rays and body scans revealed nothing. However, a third body scan on 24 August 1984 showed a large area of fluid on the left side of her chest.

On 31 August 1984, she was admitted to the Fitzroy Nuffield Hospital in London, where five and half pints of infected fluid was drawn off her chest. She was diagnosed as suffering from a rare and dangerous form of lymphatic leukaemia and went into surgery on the morning of 1 September 1984. Doctors gave her only a 10% chance of survival. With two months of chemotherapy, she pulled through. However, Doreen had become a semi-invalid; a person who had been so full of life and had been looking forward to a happy retirement could hardly walk, and suffered much pain. Her husband was severely ill for three weeks from the end of February until middle of March 1984. He also suffered from acute pains in the back, lumbar region and thighs. He had difficulty walking, or even staying upright, and he found it hard to keep his balance. His continuous pain also prevented him from proper sleep or rest.

Medical tests in March revealed that his metabolism was very disturbed, and that his blood cells were severely affected. His blood sedimentation level, which had been normal at 8 per cent had shot up to 30 per cent. Anything above this level is considered extremely serious.

The events of 20 May 1984, made matters even worse. Over the years he had taken very good care of his teeth, making regular visits to a Harley Street dental surgeon. Over the three months between March and May, he lost most of his teeth. Some fell out and others simply crumbled. This is a well-known symptom of ionizing radiation, and a feature amongst servicemen

For over three years he suffered from a problem with his macrocytes, and a continual over-production of red blood cells. This is a condition described as polycythemia, discovered in US servicemen exposed to electromagnetic pulses.

He had also suffered from three severe attacks of something akin to shingles but uncharacteristically it recurred in the same places. It also lasted longer than shingles would, and the spots left scars which did not fade. He also suffered from pains in his limbs, and a recurring problem of frequent painful enlargement of the [area of chest that rhymes with "whipples"].

Sometime later, in July 1989 and January 1990, Anthony Verney underwent two operations in the Wellington Day Centre and the Hassocks Health Centre. On the first occasion it was for the removal of suspected basal cell carcinoma, the second time for removal of lesions. On both occasions the doctors (Dr D. Dowling Munro, and Dr Lucy Free) were unable to identify the cause and nature of his complaint. According to US Navy Surface Weapons Center studies on the effects of microwave weapons, it has been established that hot spots in the brain, lesions and necrosis of internal tissues can be induced. They can also affect heart function.

Prior to their problems, in June 1983, Mr and Mrs Verney both had full medical examinations at the Tenterden Health Centre, in connection with a pension purchase with Allied Hambro (now Allied Dunbar). Both came through the tests very well, as the records show.

Mr Verney provided me with a complete list of doctors and surgeons who treated him and his wife during their ordeal. I spoke to Dr Douglas Rossdale, their General Practitioner on 28 March 1991, and asked him his opinion on the case. Dr Rossdale paid tribute to the Verneys, and their resilience in spite of the difficulties they had been through. He added that in the many years he had been in practice, the couple's case was unique.

Both patients suffered from a similar and unusual syndrome simultaneously - a situation relatively rare in medical practice. He was also surprised by the rapid deterioration of their health, and taking into consideration their previous medical history, he could not identify the cause.

There is little doubt that the police could have taken action, tracked down the source of the noise, found the culprits and prosecuted as a breach of the peace. But for some unexplained reason they chose not to. What is ironic, however, is that a few months later during the Coal Miner's dispute, the Kent Police took extraordinary steps to interfere with the movement of vehicles suspected of carrying striking miners out of the county, alleging that they were threatening a breach of the peace.

Anthony Verney wrote to the Chancellor of Exchequer (at that time Nigel Lawson) complaining about their ordeal and claiming compensation. In February 1986, he received a postcard from George Younger, then Private Secretary of Defence. This was followed by a letter from Mr S.M. Murray, a Senior Claims Officer at the Ministry of Defence.

Murray stated in his letter that what had happened to the Verneys had nothing to do with the Ministry of Defence (this had apparently been the view of Lawson's office as well). 'But,' he added, 'it was due to the activities of criminal elements in the area and a matter for the civil police' [emphasis added].

After almost three years, Anthony Verney at last thought he had obtained a legitimate response, which might force the police to take the long overdue action. A copy of the letter from Murray was sent to the Chief Constable of the Kent Constabulary. After several reminders and a long period of waiting he received an acknowledgement.

In the first week of March 1987 (over a year since his correspondence with Nigel Lawson) he received a call from an Inspector Watkins of the Kent Police, requesting an appointment to discuss the matter. Two weeks later the inspector and a colleague arrived for a 90 minute discussion. Watkins disclosed he had already called on Murray in his office at the MOD asking him to support his statement concerning 'criminal elements in the area' with evidence. Murray had proved to be non-committal, informing the police there were 'no military establishments in the Biddenden area', something the local police already knew.

The two visiting officers were horrified by the recordings made at Dargle Cottage. They were in agreement with Verney that the operation at Biddenden was probably the work of some units involving scientists or MOD contractors, who did not come under the direct control of the Ministry of Defence, but were conducting trials and experiments on the MOD'S behalf.

The police officers were particularly angry about the failure of the local authority to enforce the Control of Pollution Act, 1974, about which they seemed well-briefed. They particularly singled out the Medical Officer for Health for the Ashford area as being negligent in his duties. At the end of the meeting, Mr Verney asked Inspector Watkins for his opinion. He replied that it 'was due to the activities of an organisation over whom they, (the Kent Police), had no jurisdiction.'

Subsequently, Verney tried to obtain a written confirmation of Inspector Watkins statement. On 5 August 1987, he received a letter from the Deputy Constable of Kent County Constabulary. It stated:

'I refer to your letter dated the 30th July, 1987, concerning the visit of Inspector Watkins to you earlier this year. Your comments have been noted. The issues initially raised in your letter are not matters which fall within the jurisdiction of the Kent Police. Additional enquiries by this Force are unlikely to assist you in your claims against Ashford Borough Council, or the Treasury. Under the circumstances I must reluctantly inform you that no further action will be taken and no other correspondence will be entered into in respect of these matters.'

It was obvious that the Kent Police did not wish to make any further inquiries into the case, as with the break-in. It is equally obvious that to implement the Control of Pollution Act, 1974, which the local council should have enforced, the necessary test equipment could have been found - either rented, or borrowed from the Health and Safety Executive, various scientific institutions or Kent or Sussex universities. Southampton University has a Noise & Vibration Unit. The Medical Health Officer (MHO) also refused to take any action. According to Verney: 'Callous disregard was the flavour of all correspondence from the Council.'

As noted above, the noise and vibration was sometimes accompanied by unusual lights in the sky, or 'flying tiaras', as Verney described them. Others saw them as well; Councillor Hawksley of Ashford Borough Council stated that she had seen pink lights in that area on more than one occasion. The EHO volunteered the information of sightings reported by members of the public who called them UFOs in the area.

Over the years, Verney conducted a sporadic correspondence with Eddie Mexter, the Chief Executive of the Ashford Borough Council, regarding the EHO's strange behaviour and his failure to enforce the law. Mexter, distancing himself from his own subordinates in January 1989, advised Verney he could have taken independent legal action 'against those responsible' for inaction. It was surprising advice from the Chief Executive, a solicitor, in a matter concerning a department that was under his jurisdiction.

On 25 March 1988, Tim Rathbone, Verney's Member of Parliament, addressed his serious concerns to Margaret Thatcher, the Prime Minister. In her reply of 12 May 1988, she acknowledged that Verney had had numerous correspondence "with various Ministers and Government Departments since February 1986, alleging that he and his wife had been subjected to 'electronic pollution and radiation' at their former home in Kent between October 1983 and May 1984.'' She went on to add that: "It was suggested that the nature of the incidents described seemed to suggest criminal activities by persons unknown, rather than the legitimate activities of servants or agents of the Crown, and so it might be more appropriate for him to pursue the matter with the Civil Police authorities." 2

Lord Denning, former Master of the Rolls, gave some sage advice to Verney at the same time. "To bring the culprits to book, you first have to find them, and if they are government agents, that was a major difficulty. They operate so secretly that they have come and gone before you can know." 3

Through another MP, Merlyn Rees, the matter was raised with John Major, the Prime Minister, in 1992. The reply was predictable: "I am afraid there is nothing I can usefully add to this (previous) correspondence, and I can only repeat that Mr Verney's allegations are considered to be totally unfounded." 4

In February 1992, Phil Chamberlin, from University of Sussex Students Union took up Verney's case, and corresponded with Robin Corbett MP, enclosing a copy of Verney's file. Corbett replied; "I was so disturbed about the aspects of the file that I asked a Privy Counsellor friend of mine to send it to the Prime Minister, which he has done." 5 No useful response was obtained.

In a letter to Amnesty International on 15 January 1992, I sought their assistance in analysing Verney's tapes. 6

On 14 February 1992, Jane Dykins, MSP Working Group Volunteer, Amnesty International, informed me; "We have no information on audio tapes, or whether there are any means to analyse the taped content." 7

On 6 May 1992, Major reiterated the need for secrecy about intelligence service operations. He told Parliament: "The Government has deliberately distinguished between publicly acknowledging the existence of both the Security Service and the Secret Intelligence Service, and commenting on operational information. That it is a distinction which the Government will continue to maintain." 8

But the battle went on. In March 1996, Justin Williams, a journalist from the Kent Messenger Newspapers Group, became involved in Verneys' case. After contacting me, Williams tried to establish what had happened, and later on 26 April 1996, he published an account of his findings in his paper. 9

He too was somewhat surprised by his findings, and the way he was treated by the witnesses in the course of his investigation. In his letter of 21 May 1996, Justin wrote to me: "In the case of Verney, I, like you, am convinced that he fell victim to something. What to me is more likely is that something covert was going on in Short Wood, possibly directed from October Farm, that the British military establishment had knowledge of but were not directly involved in."

It is still unclear what happened to Verneys, or why. Eventually, Verney became convinced that he had been targeted for some reason, but I thought it more likely he and his wife were unfortunate enough to have been in the way of something - accidental victims of some experiment. It says a great deal about this benighted country, and the sheer stupidity of so many of its secret servants, who, rather than just admit this, apologise, and offer restitution, the British state went into full scale cover-up and harassment mode. 10

Doreen Verney died in March 1996. A few months later in September, Anthony Verney passed away. He had checked himself into a psycho-geriatric ward against the advice of family and friends, apparently in the hope that he would get relief from what he still perceived as microwave pollution.




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fortwynt
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For SW
You can't comfort the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable.

--Princess Diana of Wales
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Sorry my copy did not contain the appropriate locations for the footnotes. I included the actual notes anyway, because the information in them is important.


I also wanted to add that it was after moving to the location I mentioned, in the mobile home, that both mine and my mother's, health began to deteriorate dramatically. So much of the medical part of the above story, rings so true for what happened to myself and my mother. Unfortunately, it killed my mother.

It is much too long a story to try to re-tell, but even though the "official" diagnosis for her was "lung cancer", both she and I knew that it was NOT lung cancer. And, "things were arranged" (manipulated) so that there would be no way she, or I, could ever prove that she did not, in fact, die from "lung cancer". No autopsy would be "allowed". I completely believe that she died from some form of lymphoma, and I believe it was a result of long-term exposure to something very similar to the above story, in addition to years of being "over-sprayed" (which was, more accurately, deliberate dive-bombing) by crop dusters. (We were surrounded on 3 sides by cotton farms, owned by wealthy farmers.)
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That is very horrifying to me.
You can't comfort the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable.

--Princess Diana of Wales
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Second Wind
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Wow, fort. Thanks for the song. Brings back memories of when all this crap really started ramping up for me, 1984-85.

Actually, it is just when I first began to have the nagging but undefinable knowledge that something really weird was going on in my life.....ALL my life.

Anyway, it's funny, fort, because I look at the lyrics completely differently today, than I did when it came out.....even though I really liked the song back then.




"In the end, only kindness matters."
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me too, sw
You can't comfort the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable.

--Princess Diana of Wales
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Offensive and Defensive Tactics for Resisting Influence

Defensive – learn how to detect propaganda

Play devil’s advocate

Generate questions to ask about a communication

Be prepared to debunk bogus appeals

Practice how to respond to propaganda attacks


Offensive – steps that will identify common propaganda forms and stop them at their source

Know the ways of persuasion and know that you personally may be the victim of propaganda

Distinguish source credibility

Weaken illusion of your personal invulnerability
[Don't kid yourself that you can't be brainwashed]

Monitor your emotions

If you’re having an emotional response to a communication, ask yourself why

Look for things that induce false emotions like
Fear, guilt, reciprocity

Redefine situation

Explore the motivation and credibility of the source

What does the source have to gain?

Is it an overly manufactured image?

Think rationally about any proposal or issue
What is the issue?
Labels and terms?

Arguments in support and opposing?
Cogent? Fair?

Attempt to understand the full range of options before making a decision

What are the choices?

What if I chose something other than the recommended option? What are the real consequences?

Actions not Words

If you hear something repeatedly, ask why it is being repeated

If the deal looks too good to be true, it probably is

Time sensitive
Free gifts

Teach your children about propaganda
Help them develop counterarguments

Compare real performance with advertising

Support efforts to prevent vulnerable groups against exploitative persuasion

Avoid being dependent on a single source of information

Separate news from entertainment

Use communication style as one criteria in making decisions and judgments

Increase your personal involvement, knowledge, and awareness in important issues

Do not be tuned out

If it is important, take some time to find out more about it on your own



The Science of Social Influence
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Why We Conform: The Power of Groups


Though we may disagree secretly with the group opinion, we may verbally adopt the group stance so that we seem like a team player rather than a deviant.




To resist the powers of group conformity: know what you stand for; determine how really important it is that these other people like you, especially when they are strangers; recognize that there are other groups who would be delighted to have you as a member; take a future perspective to imagine what you will think of your current conforming action at some time in the future.








The following highlights some ideas that we can bring into our own lives and those of our children.


Teaching children to disobey unjust authority

Support critical thinking abilities in children – asking for support of assertions, separation of rhetoric and conclusion, developing means vs. ends thinking

Rewarding social modeling of moral behavior
Social recognition for good deeds; acknowledging the bravery of whistleblowers of misconduct

Promoting critical thinking that challenges false ideologies and bad means to good ends

Not living on mindless “auto-pilot”

Reflect on details of the immediate situation; think before acting

Encouraging respect for human diversity and appreciating human variability

Reduces in-group biases and discrimination

Not allowing stereotyping and dehumanization of other people

Changing social conditions that make people feel anonymous

Support conditions that make people feel special, have sense of personal value and self-worth

Encouraging admission of mistakes, accepting error in judgments – to reduce justification for continuing wrong, immoral behavior

Reduces need to justify mistakes and to continue wrong or immoral action

Undercuts motivation to reduce dissonance by being consistent with a bad decision

Promoting personal responsibility and accountability of one’s actions

Diffused responsibility is a mere disguise for own role in consequences of actions

Supporting independence over group conformity

Increasing awareness of when conformity to the group norm is counter-productive and should not be followed

Understanding when independence should take precedence despite possible social rejection

Reducing poverty, inequities, and entitlements of the privileged

Never sacrificing freedom for promised security
Bad deal – sacrificing the real and immediate for the distant and elusive; lose control and relinquish power to the already powerful

Discouraging even the smallest of transgressions, cheating, gossiping, lying, teasing, bullying, which provide first steps toward more severe behaviors

Can harness the subtle power of small steps in Milgram’s paradigm to promote positive actions and altruism until one does uncharacteristically or previously unimaginabe good deeds.

"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Since the arrival of the "other", i have been particularly neurotic about "time"...or more specifically "timing".

I have some sort of built-in clock...someone can ask me the time, and I usually can tell them within a degree of accuracy +/- 2 or 3 minutes....and i NEVER wear a watch.

I haven't had to use an alarm clock for probably 10 or 15 years now unless i specifically have to wake up for something special, and even then it's rare.
You can't comfort the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable.

--Princess Diana of Wales
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fortwynt
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COME ON SW, I need some convo, its pouring snow out, gonna be downright hazardous in the morning....this could be my last conversation, who knows! just kidding...but d*mnit man, where are you!?

just messin with ya, im sure yer still snoozin, you'll be around in a couple hours....right? Right?
You can't comfort the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable.

--Princess Diana of Wales
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Fort, my schedule was kinda messed up last night/this morning. I actually went to bed about 4:30 a.m. central.

I am not really sure how to respond to your post, except to say that I, too, have a fairly accurate internal clock.

I am not really sure why. I have always been able to tell pretty closely, what time it is.

As for waking up at a certain time, without an alarm, well, if I am allowed to follow my own "internal clock", in terms of being a night owl, then I usually can wake up in plenty of time, if there is something I have to do.

That was not true during all the years I had to follow a "normal" daytime schedule. I could never sleep "normal" hours, so I was always sleep-deprived. Back when I was still working, I had to have THREE alarms set, at staggered times, in order to wake up.



Sorry I wasn't here for you this morning! The cold weather here must have affected me, or something. I was not feeling well AT ALL, and went to sleep about 3 to 4 hours earlier than usual.
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I completely was not paying attention when I typed some of that crap above!

I went to bed at 8:30 last night, and got up at 4:30 this morning.

I think I may be feeling worse than I knew.
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Have any of you noticed the shorter commercial breaks on TV now?

The advertising industry has gotten wise to the consumer's habit of using commercial breaks to go to the bathroom or the kitchen, or to put the fabric softener in the wash, or to load the dishwasher....whatever.

The first thing "they" did, years ago, was to incrementally increase the volume of the commercials, and DECREASE the volume of the programming. But it did not prevent people from getting up, or, for that matter, muting the commercials.

But in the past, if you wanted to mute the commercials, and you paid close attention, you learned how many minutes:seconds you had during commercial breaks, to go do something else.

So, even if you turned the volume way down or muted, you could still get back to the program without missing much.

Now, the breaks are so fast, that you barely have time to go take a leak.

I have gotten to the point, for the last several years, actually, that I tape (yes, on a VCR) shows that I want to see, so that I can fast-forward through the commercials.

And now, I just discovered that if you have a DVR, "your provider might not support channel skipping". I wonder if/when they do/will have a way to prevent the recording of programs/skipping of commercials?

(Of course, now Neilson is actually what commercials that viewers watch, and not just what programs.)


The industry is also doing all they can to make it less and less convenient to use the VCR, so that you will have to upgrade to DVR. As the digital conversion approaches, they "upgraded" the program guide, and took away the ability to set a timer that will change the channel at a given time.

You can set a timer, but it only gives you an on-screen reminder, it does not change the channel. (The only function that actually changes to another channel is "pay per view" orders.

So, I cannot record something when I am gone, UNLESS I remember to leave the TV on the channel I want to record.

That, of course, means I am limited to only being able to record one program while I am gone, unless all the programs I want to record are on the same channel.


Also, any of you out there who have DVR through your cable company; if I get a DVR, will I still be able to use my VCR/DVD player as well? I have a pretty large library of VCR and DVD recordings.

I am still using an old-style TV; no HDTV for me.
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Your VCR or DVD player will work as it always did to watch existing stuff you have in those formats or for when you buy new dvd's. DVDs are not going anywhere anytime soon. A DVD player is generally hooked up to a tv independent of any cable boxes, dvr's, or anything like that.
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Hi, chris

I forgot to say.....

My old-style TV only has ONE input on back for video, a standard coax input.


That is what has me worried.

Also, if I get a dvr from my cable company, will it take the place of my current digital (standard) converter box?

And will the dvr also have a connection for my vcr?




(I hope it is at least partially clear why I posted about this on this thread.)
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SW,

Yes, a DVR would be a different box entirely. Some DVR boxes have auxiliary inputs on the back of them so you could use the a/v outputs on the back of your vcr or dvd player to use that way.

If you can, I would upgrade to a more modern tv with more sets of inputs with all the current standards. Flat panel tv's of all kinds have dropped in price dramatically over the last few years. If you must use one coaxial input, you could always buy an old style manual switch box from somewhere like Radio Shack where you can connect multiple coax sources and connect them to one on your tv. You just have to switch between them.
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S-Video is pretty good too
You can't comfort the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable.

--Princess Diana of Wales
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Thanks for the info, y'all.

I cannot justify the expense of replacing my TV right now. To get a decent one with the same size screen as I have now, it would be a minimum of about $350 to $400. I just can't do that, when there are other things I need more.

I had thought about the A/B switch, chris, which I used to use a long time ago, before I had a digital cable box.

I plan to call my cable company to find out if the DVR has the aux inputs.

If I had the guts, I would just do away with broadcast TV entirely. I am not at that point yet, unfortunately. I am quite "addicted".....which, of course, is "their" plan.
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SW, I am very close to giving up tv entirely. Despite the many channels, there never seems to be anything on. Daytime television is filled with the worst, lowest quality shows. You might find one good movie on. There aren't many good series on at night either. I love films, good films of all kinds but can't seem to find them. Why pay for all those channels when I watch barely a few. TV providers need to come up with alternative plans, like a menu. For example, pay a flat fee per month for a certain amount of channels that you pick a choose. Have different levels. Maybe level 1 can be all your local channels a handful of cable networks and one premium channel. All chosen like a restaurant menu. Tier 2 would give you more channels to add on etc. Right now, say if you want one channel that shows independent films, you have to pay for a package that is overpriced and has channels that you may not watch at all or even want in the first place.
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I agree with that concept, Chris. I doubt seriously that any of the providers will ever offer the consumer that much pick-and-choose choice, however.

I feel luck that I am able to get HBO channels, and Showtime channels, independent of any other "packages" or "tiers".

I do find a lot of TV worth watching on both HBO and Showtime channels; both movies and several of the series programs.

I would love to have, as you mentioned, channels like Sundance, BBC, IFC, and a few others, but they come with packages of channels that I don't care about enough to pay the cost.


About the digital conversion....


Have you (or has anybody else) seen any strange changes in the way certain things appear now?

It could be that if I had an HDTV, I would not be seeing these anomolies.

For example, I have noticed on the local channels, on some clips of things like sports, that there is a weird sort of jumping or "trails" with the players' movements. It's hard to describe, but it hurts my eyes and makes me dizzy, and I have to look away.

There have been some other things, too, like audio problems.

Anybody out there still have old style TVs, and see any wierdness?
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Posted on Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 9:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Hey, Sal, what's shakin'?

I feel like celebrating nothin' in particular!



"Don't want no whiskey! Gimme some high-class booze!"


"We're gonna have us a Champagne Jam!"


Ahhhh, thank you, M'aam!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 12:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Ummmmm.....

Could it be that I have NO idea where I am????






Oh, well, it was the thought that counts........



and you are all very polite to have NOT pointed out to me that I was in the wrong thread!


(Or, is that that you just don't really give a poop?)
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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fortwynt
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Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 12:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

i actually did notice that, and at first was like ummm did i click on the wrong thread? but i forgot shortly thereafter, guess im not a message board fundamentalist, more of a li-board-tarian....i enjoy mixing all the threads together *shrugs*
You can't comfort the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable.

--Princess Diana of Wales
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fortwynt
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Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 12:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

how have you been, my friend?
You can't comfort the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable.

--Princess Diana of Wales
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Second Wind
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Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2009 - 3:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

li-board-tarian



Oh, you are clever, fortie pie!

Not to mention, VERY Kind!

I've been.......preoccupied.

I have a really hard time with major decisions, and I am trying to make one at present, and I am on complete information overload.

If I were not so a**l retentive and into micro-managing, it would be easier.

Some people just decide, without much information at all.

Me? I have to research each decision to death, particularly when it concerns spending money!

"You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice!"


What about you, sweetie? How have you been?

I hope things are going pretty well with you and your precious family!

(Message edited by second_wind on March 22, 2009)
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Stephen in AZ
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Posted on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 6:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Stopping by...
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cmi517
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Posted on Tuesday, May 12, 2009 - 1:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

A while back Second wind posted:


Just thought I would mention (and use it as a bump).......

Did anybody who is familiar with Dr. Nick Begich realize that he is the brother of Alaska Senator-Elect Mark Begich?

It's interesting that someone as vocal on the mind control subject has a brother with a successful political career.

Not exactly sure what I think about that.

Nick had a slightly lower profile most of 2008, though....although, he was on with Whit in July, I think.


Now, I don't know why it took me so long to put it together: Nick Begich Sr. was a representative from Alaska killed in a plane crash with Hale Boggs, the speaker of the house back in 1972. Their plane went down somewhere over Alaska.