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Hale
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Post Number: 2210
Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Odd. I stumbled across some scientology stuff that really had my hackles up the other day. It was a confrontation between a man who was filming a scientology event on the street (free and open to the public) and was approached by several guys who were pretty nasty.....they certainly can't seem to handle ANY form of criticism.

Scientilogy connected to MK Ultra? So is Scientology just some kind of window dressing for something else? Was it designed for that originally? What is an OT?
The personal life deeply lived always expands into truths beyond itself. ---Anais Nin
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susi t learn
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Username: etsi

Post Number: 10158
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

i had a scientologist come to my house and threaten me.

but mr 12 gauge pursueded him to leave.
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Thomas
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Username: thomas_j_veil

Post Number: 10213
Registered: 3-2006
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 12:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Hale wrote:

quote:

Scientilogy connected to MK Ultra?



Surprisingly perhaps, yes.


quote:

So is Scientology just some kind of window dressing for something else?



It's a lot of things. It's an elaborate money-making scheme, a dangerous mind control cult, a particularly vicious international business concern, a sugar-coated extension of L. Ron Hubbard's interest in Crowlian black magic "spread out over a lifetime" as his own son explained*, and both a testing ground and hiding place for some powerful methods of manipulating human consciousness.

And that's just for starters.


quote:

Was it designed for that originally?



It's difficult to say with absolute certainty, but I think the evidence strongly suggests this, yes. Hubbard's involvement with Naval Intelligence adds even more weight to this possibility.


quote:

What is an OT?



An "OT" is an "Operating Thetan," a supposedly "advanced level" in Scientology that costs several hundred thousand dollars to attain. This—among many other reasons—explains why so many spell Scientology with a $.

___________________________
* From the 1983 Penthouse interview with L. Ron Hubbard, Jr.: "I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology --and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. Also, you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him. My father wouldn't have worshiped anything. I mean, when you think you're the most powerful being in the universe, you have no respect for anything, let alone worship."

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/penthouse-LRonHubbardJr-interview-1983.h tm
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Hale
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Post Number: 2213
Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thanks for that, Thomas. Well I never knew about Hubbard's possible connection to MC issues...in an institutional sense. But perhaps the best ones are the ones that the govt. doesn't run but that start up because some people believed in the program material so much, that they went on a crusade. Why do it when someone else will do it for you? Like Bushies supporting their guy when its so obvious that its just a sham.

I know this is serious business, but here is Scientologies' most visible guy being interviewed on his involvement in the cult....then what follows is a spoof from Ferguson on the same interview....its a hoot because it points out just how loony this group seems to be.....in a scary way.

The link to the video may wind up no longer being valid because it seems that the Church keeps trying to keep the video off Youtube using copyright infringement as the argument....so if its no longer available then you need to search Tom Cruise/Scientology/interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O2_rZIgrQI

Now the spoof, which will explain some things I think about the first video. The video has a huge number of spoofs, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYBTlI1-fHg

Now a peripheraly connected video which also touches on a movie Cruise is apparently doing on an effort about Hitler's inner circle seeking to kill him (on Oberman) which you might find interesting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gePLI7ZTIB0
The personal life deeply lived always expands into truths beyond itself. ---Anais Nin
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Thomas
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Username: thomas_j_veil

Post Number: 10222
Registered: 3-2006
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 2:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thanks for posting those videos, Hale—the Craig Ferguson one is my favorite.

You know, I used to be a HUGE FAN of Tom Cruise; I loved his movies, and I admired the stories I heard about him intervening when he saw wrongs being perpetrated against innocent people.

I was therefore shocked to discover his unequivocal support for a CULT that preys on the innocence of others.

He is not just a victim of this cult; by his unqualified support for it he has become a perpetrator. Scientology kills (just ask the family of Lisa McPherson), it destroys lives (if you haven't already you might want to check out the personal histories at Operation Clambake), and it does both of these things under the guise of religion AND with a viciousness that stuns even the most hard-boiled critic (you may want to see the riveting BBC documentary, "Scientology and Me," for an in-your-face demonstration of this cult's tactics).

I wouldn't walk across the street now to see a Tom Cruise film. Or, as Tom Cruise might say, "I've cancelled that in my area."
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animalspirits
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Username: animalspiritstalstarcom

Post Number: 2181
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 2:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thomas,

I wouldn't walk across the street now to see a Tom Cruise film. Or, as
Tom Cruise might say, "I've cancelled that in my area."


Me either Thomas...or any movie made by his production company.
Understand that all things are sacred--yet nothing is sacred.

~Yotee Coyote
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Mia
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Post Number: 567
Registered: 9-2007
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 3:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

WOW! VERY SCAREY!
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Hale
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Post Number: 2214
Registered: 7-2006
Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 9:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Here is the video that I saw first that really had my hackles up.......

It has several parts to it.....an interaction with the cops first, and then the crazy guys come out......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y
The personal life deeply lived always expands into truths beyond itself. ---Anais Nin
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Hale
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Post Number: 2215
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Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

......and the word "inturbulate" most certainly is not in the dictionary....but I am quite sure if these goons have their way, it'll be before long. Scary is right.
The personal life deeply lived always expands into truths beyond itself. ---Anais Nin
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Thomas
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Username: thomas_j_veil

Post Number: 10227
Registered: 3-2006
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 12:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

That's quite a video, Hale. For those who don't know, the guy who's being harassed by the Scientologists is chap named Mark Bunker, an Emmy Award-winning film producer and critic of the cult. Many of Mark Bunker's videos critical of Scientology can be found on "Xenu TV" (www.xenutv.com), and his writings about his experiences covering the cult can be found on "The WOG BLOG" (http://xenutv.wordpress.com/).

In order to stop Mr. Bunker from exposing it, Scientology has, among other things:

• Picketed his home,

• Posted an internet webpage attacking him personallly, and

• Had him arrested for trespassing, even though he was on public property at the time (he was later acquitted of all charges).

Additionally, while covering a Scientology news story in Clearwater, Florida with two German filmmakers, Mr. Bunker was attacked by a man with a hammer.

"The time I've spent covering Scientology has been, to say the least, interesting," he says.

I can only imagine.
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 1045
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 12:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Glad to see these issues discussed again.

I am nearly speechless at that video. I can't believe those scientologists don't realize how absolutely stupid they sound.

It seems to me that the most important thing to them (and to the cult) is to get the dirt on their members. And they are the MOST interested in members with bucks.

Can you say "extortion"?
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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fortwynt
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Post Number: 4377
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 1:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

absolutely and i think that's whats very clever about their "sessions", ya know the ones, where the member tells all of his/her deepest darkest secrets, to become an eventual "clear".
"...So tear me open, but beware there's things inside without a care..."

Metallica
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 1046
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 1:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Exactly.

They stole the idea from Alcoholics Anonymous, though.

There is huge emphasis in 12-step recovery programs on "Steps 4 and 5":

"4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs."



And they want you to put it all down on paper, too.


It's all....."Have you started your work on 4 & 5 yet?"

The twelve step programs are scarily cult.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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fortwynt
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Post Number: 4379
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 1:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Absolutely, and why so much emphasis placed on confessing to a human being? I think we all know the answer to that. If it were truly about God, I should suspect that would suffice.
"...So tear me open, but beware there's things inside without a care..."

Metallica
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 1047
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 1:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Agreed. It's a form of control.....just like the Catholic Church.

IMO.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 1049
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 2:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

www.layinstitute.org


Mind Control articles (pdf files)

Incredible articles there.

Check out the "Darpatech 2002 Symposium" article, for starters.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Hale
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Post Number: 2235
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Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 9:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Let me know what you think about this site.

Its not just about MC, but many things. Some were stories that I had not heard of before in mainstream media.

http://www.wanttoknow.info/
The personal life deeply lived always expands into truths beyond itself. ---Anais Nin
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susi t learn
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Username: etsi

Post Number: 10186
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 5:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

talking about blackmailing members; that's what they did to my friend. under the pretense of 'counseling', they told her she had to 'confess' all wrongdoing she'd done in her life. she told them she had an abortion. back then it had more of a stigma and her millionaire daddy would've choked her. and she was at that time running for miss florida and the scandal would have ruined her.

and they used that against her. she almost had a breakdown regretting she told them.

nice people. not!
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Mama Shine
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Post Number: 5395
Registered: 9-2006
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 7:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

In a way this type bondage is sorta like
mind control...no way out. I don't know why this song popped into my head.


Sixteen Tons
(Merle Travis)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I was born one mornin' when the sun didn't shine
Picked up a shovel and I walked to the mine
I hauled Sixteen Tons of number 9 coal
And the straw-boss said, "Well, bless my soul"


(Chorus:-)

You haul Sixteen Tons, whadaya get?
Another older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store


Repeat Chorus

Born one morning it was drizzle and rain
Fightin' and Trouble are my middle name
I was raised in a canebrake by an old mama lion
And no high-toned woman make me walk the line


Repeat Chorus

See me comin' better step aside
A lot of men didn't and a lot of men died
I got one fist of iron and the other of steel
And if the right one don't get ya, the left one will


Repeat Chorus

Born one mornin' when the sun didn't shine
Picked up a shovel and I walked to the mine
I hauled Sixteen Tons of number 9 coal
And the straw-boss said, "Well, bless my soul"


Repeat Chorus



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I must create a system, or be enslaved by another man's. ~William Blake

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Mama Shine
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Post Number: 5396
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Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 7:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMWBhVNFlZs&feature=related
I must create a system, or be enslaved by another man's. ~William Blake

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fortwynt
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Post Number: 4391
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 8:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

mama shine, a "classic" where im from. (w.va.)
http://www.myspace.com/fortwynt

I love to add new friends!
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susi t learn
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Username: etsi

Post Number: 10192
Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 8:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

mama

that brought back memories-my mom used to sing that when i was little. she loves tennessee ernie.
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Thomas
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Username: thomas_j_veil

Post Number: 10268
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Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 4:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

It looks like the February 10th worldwide protests against Scientology are proceeding quite nicely.

I had feared that this was all hype; instead it looks huge.

Good for "Anonymous." And good for them for abandoning any illegal tactics for solely legal ones.



SYDNEY
http://flickr.com/photos/victan/sets/72157603883434477/

EDINBURGH
http://flickr.com/photos/strevs/sets/72157603884730799/

DUBLIN
http://flickr.com/photos/cianginty/sets/72157603884746261/

MANCHESTER
http://flickr.com/photos/shortyazk/sets/72157603881130710/

LONDON
http://flickr.com/photos/tomscott/sets/72157603884385477/
http://flickr.com/photos/simonkimber/sets/72157603881415424/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5OkaqHsrTo

PARIS
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=MvlNue4gLqs
.....Nono
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WvvvUS_oFY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQlwp6GFL4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob5Td6mX92Q

BERLIN
http://forums.enturbulation.org/viewtopic.php?t=1690

AMSTERDAM
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/87615

PERTH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNO4-lmejQ

BRUSSELS
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fragrag/

LONDON
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leisuresuitlawl/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cr3/sets/72157603885183719/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/josephlee/sets/72157603885145287/

AMSTERDAM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/waxorian/sets/72157603885316273/

OTTOWA
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2336/2255465512_801f93d3b7.jpg

TOKYO solo picket
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raOQtWPjF0E

LONDON
http://www.flickr.com/photos/synthclarion/sets/72157603885925103/

MANCHESTER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4-Ms1-eYmY

DUBLIN
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hisroyalbadness/



Here's some more. Images from the United States are starting to come in now too...

MINNEAPOLIS
http://www.flickr.com/photos/diversey/sets/72157603885708663/

WASHINGTON, D.C.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2419/2254958585_ed9b90caf8.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2019/2255758170_afd7e6cf99.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2368/2255789344_efaeaf171d.jpg

AUSTIN, TEXAS
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimmydushku/

LONDON
http://www.flickr.com/photos/riazphillips/

PHILADELPHIA, PENNSYLVANIA
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nilkin67/sets/72157603886231701/

UTAH
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2091/2255866612_af76764f0f.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2023/2255870338_287a50b189.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2235/2255855096_c5c5156e8a.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2215/2255054585_f3645e0b5a.jpg

MILWAUKEE
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Anon1.jpg

PORTLAND
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hardlinejoe/sets/72157603882824762/

BOSTON
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2220/2255139303_e65631a2bf.jpg

NEW YORK
http://www.partyvan.info/images/thumb/5/5e/New_York_City_Scientology_Protest_02. 10.2008_006.jpg/600px-New_York_City_Scientology_Protest_02.10.2008_006.jpg

CLEARWATER, FLORIDA
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23656731@N04/sets/72157603882422180/
(You'll have to copy and paste this one; this board's software isn't reading the link properly.)

ST. LOUIS
http://www.flickr.com/photos/madmannova/sets/72157603882891348/

HOUSTON
http://www.flickr.com/photos/euthman/sets/72157603886500181/

RICHMOND, VIRGINIA
http://www.flickr.com/photos/toabetterride/sets/72157603883000324/
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scion
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Post Number: 1646
Registered: 4-2006
Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 4:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thank you all for such great links. I have saved them all!
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Second Wind
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Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 3:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thank God for credible, level-headed people like Dr. Nick Begich (who is on C2C as I type), who are speaking up about electronic control of the human mind.

Controlling The Human Mind
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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JC
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Post Number: 144
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Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 7:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

You can find some pretty interesting lectures by Begich on Google video. Glad this thread came back up to the top. I never saw it before now.
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JC
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Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 7:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

As to the 12 Step comments above, 12 Step saved my life. The 4th and 5th step are only shared with one person you trust, usually a sponsor of your choosing. You can even share it with a priest or friend outside the program.

The purpose is to put your past behind you in order to become free from it. It's about living a better life in the present.

I've been in mind control, and believe me, 12 step isn't a cult.
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animalspirits
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Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 9:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

JC,

Good for you!

My best friend completed the 12 step program with AA. It made a huge difference in his life. A kinder, gentler soul you could not meet.

I really have a problem calling what he chose to do as being part of a cult.

By the way, JC, I peeked at your profile. I really like your art. You have amazing pencil skills. The detail is incredible. My favorite was the Sphinx.


Understand that all things are sacred--yet nothing is sacred.

~Yotee Coyote
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JC
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Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 5:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Well thank you animalspirits.

Pretty outdated work on my website. Haven't had time to update it. I've been meaning to.

Thanks for the encouragement.
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Second Wind
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Post Number: 1450
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Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 1:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Re: "The Program as Cult Mind Control":

http://www.orange-papers.org/

I started to post numerous links, but decided that this one is so thorough, there is little need to post others.

In addition to the above information (which is voluminous), just do a Google search on the subject.

I was part of "the program" (several versions) for a total of 3 years, but I got clean of drugs that were killing me, 24 years ago. I will actually go so far as to say that I stayed clean IN SPITE OF "The Program" and what they put me through. (IMO, they don't call it "The Program" for nothing!)

I have posted before about some of the "grouping" that was done to me in "The Program", so I won't re-post about it all now. But I will give you just one example:

I shared my inventory with a Preacher (Pastor of an Episcopal church here), and that man violated both my anonymity and my trust, by revealing to someone (several people) some of the things I shared with him.


I know that many people feel "The Program" saved them, and changed their lives for the better. However, the same has been said, by many people, about Scientology and other cults.

That being said, I would not suggest to anyone that they should leave "The Program" if it is keeping them sober, as long as it is not interfering with their lives.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Dr. Newel
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Hi,

I am a Scientologist, and a staff member. Let's hear it. Tell me what's up with all of you?

L. Ron Hubbard was a Naval Officer. He became attacked by U.S. Mind Control, and Scientology was how he got himself better - off of mind control.

Fire away, what do you want to know?
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JC
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Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 7:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Not saying that 12 step is the be-all-end-all of sprirituality. It does sometimes have a cultish feel to it depending on what group it is.

It does help me to live by a set of spiritual principles.

I combine that with whatever form of spirituality I find necessary in my life. Lately it's been Tolle's book and exercises and meditations.
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Dr. Newel
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I had the paperback book "Scientology," in my personal effects at home when I joined the Navy at an early age. They must have found it when they searched my parents house when my parents were away at work. Even worse they may have been tracking it's purchase at stores in the U.S. as the Navy hatred for LRH blossomed like flowers from the underworld. I had the book but never read it. I found out years later that some one in the Navy had been attacking me with Anti-Scientology for quite some time. By the time I arrived at a Scientology outpost I realized what had been done to me and possibly that every person in the U.S. is on mind control. When we broke away from the King of England we were supposed to have freedom. What has emerged is that some one at some point has placed Naval Officers, and the population of the U.S. on mind control. Yale University wanted to place Military Officers on mind control since the Viet Nam War. One thing is for sure. The lives of the persons that have done this to us are in danger because there are a lot of people whom want to find out what it is, where it is and who has done this to us. Scientology is a way to break free of forms of mind control. What had happened is that the competative rivals in the Navy had engineered LRH to be placed on mind control by the U.S. Government, and U.S. Navy.
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Second Wind
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JC, you seem to have a very sensible attitude about your participation in "The Program", and I applaud that!
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Aprylla
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Scientology is a way to break free of forms of mind control.

If Scientology is so freeing why do people have to pay a lot of money to be involved with it? I noticed this article as I was searching for more info on Scientology. See here

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Dr. Newel
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Re: paying a lot of money
Why do you expect people to do something for you for free? I do not speak for the church in any official way but just curious. So if something is ubiquitous you think it is free? I was a natural genius when I walked in so the amount of classes I needed was less, anyway. I will give you an example: I took a class in communication that seemed to me, that were a collection of all the things your mom would say about talking to someone but were put down in class form. You would be surprised at how many people can not talk to each other in an ordinary way. The class was expensive. Now: do you hate me or the church of scientology for taking the class? You do not know me, my name, or where I took the class, how much I paid, or who was giving me the lesson. I would guess that some of you more than others need a lot of these classes, but do I care about you...no. I do not care about you, how much you will pay, or if you take the stupid class at all.
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Hmm, Dr. Newel. You have been a member of this message board for exactly 1 month today, and I have observed that you are fond of using the phrase "I don't care about...". Fascinating. Did Scientology teach you not to care?
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wolfshadow
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Dr Newell wrote:

I am a Scientologist, and a staff member. Let's hear it. Tell me what's up with all of you?

L. Ron Hubbard was a Naval Officer. He became attacked by U.S. Mind Control, and Scientology was how he got himself better - off of mind control.

Fire away, what do you want to know?

Okay first I want to know does Tom Cruise really run Scientology?

Okay I know bad humor.

Actually what I'm really curious about is why come across like you are more superior than others?With that I'm referring to some of your quotes on post #48.So what is it exactly Scientology teaches relegion or science?
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Wax the Artist
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Personally I think L. Ron is alive and well, on that island with Elvis and Jim Morrison...
If I post it enough it'll become true, right?
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Waxy,


Understand that all things are sacred--yet nothing is sacred.

~Yotee Coyote
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fortwynt
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I recently got back from a visit to that island, waxy....it's interesting you mention it...the truth is they all formed a band and play some killer concerts.
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Galatians 4:16
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re: superior
Well I was a gifted child, tested as genius, and have five college degrees. The upper end of the bell curve is simply not that crowded. From 6 billion people there is not one here from the same demographics as me. There is this punisher, mentality to teach me a lesson for justice, for whatever reason. Your theories about me, will be wrong, and you talk will be lies and false. You will claim that I am a homosexual, protester, or a vegetarian - all false. You will attempt to gain access to my computre, get my ip address, each will lead down the wrong path.

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flux
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Okay, then, you are a member of "The Brotherhood of the Bell"?
There are guides who can show you the way. Use them, but they will not satisfy your longing. Keep wanting that connection with all your pulsing energy.
(The Essential Rumi)
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Aprylla
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Knowledge that is meant to assist you in your personal or spiritual growth should never have a monetary value placed on it. IMHO money is an effective tool used by Lucifer to lead humanity down the path to degradation. An organization that places great emphasis on using this demonic currency to obtain their version of truth should be called into question.
"If you are going to control any population
for any length of time, you must have some measure of consent." Aldous Huxley
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wolfshadow
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Dr.Newell Wrote
"re: superior
Well I was a gifted child, tested as genius, and have five college degrees. The upper end of the bell curve is simply not that crowded. From 6 billion people there is not one here from the same demographics as me. There is this punisher, mentality to teach me a lesson for justice, for whatever reason. Your theories about me, will be wrong, and you talk will be lies and false. You will claim that I am a homosexual, protester, or a vegetarian - all false. You will attempt to gain access to my computre, get my ip address, each will lead down the wrong path."

Okay once again your jumping to conclusions no one that I know of here on this board has called you anything that you have listed.Besides who cares if your a vegetarian?You really need to take a deep breath I wasn't attacking you in anyway just asking a question that I found odd.

Second you completely side stepped my second question which was what does scientology teach,relegion or science?I'm trying to understand the whole scientology thing so hopefully you could answer the question this time
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Dr. Newel
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re: Scientology.
As my example stated: the class in Communication that I took, as a referral to the tests that I took there was a collection of knowledge that you can't find anywhere else. The materials were like a bunch of things you mother should tell you on how to communicate with some one.

Why should knowledge on reaching enlightenment be free? If you score low on the tests it means you are not obviously enlightened. As an example: I scored in the genius level for I.Q., but there are emotional tests as well. I also scored well on those tests.

You don't need to understand "the whole scientology thing," and if you do, you need to start going down there and taking courses.

You also need to start living life and making your own mistakes.
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miaree9
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Aprylla said:

"Knowledge that is meant to assist you in your personal or spiritual growth should never have a monetary value placed on it. IMHO money is an effective tool used by Lucifer to lead humanity down the path to degradation. An organization that places great emphasis on using this demonic currency to obtain their version of truth should be called into question."

Well said, Aprylla. I agree.

Dr. Newell said:

"I scored in the genius level for I.Q., but there are emotional tests as well. I also scored well on those tests."

Excellent, Dr. Newell. You are in good company here on this message board, because I am confident that many of our posters can truthfully say the same thing.
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re: miaree9
Thank you. To me, anyone who has been interested in this topic must be a natural clear (one whom is high in I.Q.). The thing about it, is that only very, very recently has science confirmed that there are atmospheres around the planets discovered outside our own solar system. I have not reached the levels of O.T. that get to the Aliens of Scientology. The reason that I started to look in to Aliens, and solar systems, is that in the 1990's I came across some research on meteorites that showed organic molecules. Then I went back and looked at the Viking data from the 1970s, and found out that the results from Mars testing is that there was a positive test result for life on Mars. In any case to be in the upper ranges of I.Q. results in a tremendous pressure and immediate torment by government agencies, and criminal organizations, and those that did not get a very high score in the I.Q. test. Government theory states that these people need to be located, stalked and told what to do in parent-child command instructions. One government operative used a vocabulary list that my father used in his word usage. They follow me around everywhere, and conduct espionage on everything that I own, and everyone I contact.
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Aprylla
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Dr. Newell I mean no disrespect. We all have our own paths and for various reasons. I've traveled down dark paths and the reason was not clear until recently. I do not hold numerous degrees nor do I score highly on IQ tests and for that I am thankful. My meager brain doesn't have the option to over-analyze the world around me. Therefore my world is much simpler than the world in which Dr. Newell resides.
"If you are going to control any population
for any length of time, you must have some measure of consent." Aldous Huxley
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wolfshadow
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Dr Newell,

I believe it when you say that you are being followed and spied upon.When I started researching the NWO,goverment cover-ups and such my spouse came home one night from work and told me that she had heard a silent humming and when she looked up about 200-300 feet above the ground there was a helicopter above are house no markings or anything and it was jet black.

As far as aliens and life on mars I have no doubt about it and I have often wondered if we are not somehow either hybrids or something to that nature.
"No matter where we run, the shadow that trots behind us is definitely four-footed." Clarissa Pinkola Estes

"Trust is a hard thing to give and even harder to earn"
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JC
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Wow. This thread is getting a little heated. As far as IQ tests and such, I think there are a lot of intelligent people on this board.

We all have one thing in common here. We are searching for truth.

Instead of attacking eachother, maybe we should find some common ground.

Just a suggestion.

There is already so much fighting in the world, let's not start the in-fighting too.

We can't even agree to disagree here?

My opinion on Scientology. I think there's some validity to it. Invariably, all paths lead to the same place.

I've seen some good Scientologist publications that are very aware of what is going on with the NWO and, in particular, the subject of mind control.
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Dr. Newel
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I think that the message board here is populated by intelligent people regardless of what they claim as being simple, etc.

Is Scientology just a form of a satanic cult? From what I have seen no, not at any level that I can see or that I have interacted from. I don't know what is up with the Penthouse readings on Scientology.

The real Satanists are translating ancient Latin, to prepare for the Golden Dawn during the Age of Aquarius. There are different things going on now than during the age of Pisces. Our concepts will change for everything, including survival, religion, and who the god(s) are.

I tend to think that government spying is based upon plagarism, and covered up to be investigatory in nature. The program managers don't have degrees, and so they are curious about what people took in school.

The I.Q. test itself is interesting, I think everyone should take it. I got to the point where I could see the end, I could guess at every answer in the test, but continued on, with my scratch paper. I wanted to make it to genius level.

The scientology will help you score higher on the I.Q. test.

(Message edited by drnewel on April 25, 2008)

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Aprylla
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The real Satanists are translating ancient Latin, to prepare for the Golden Dawn during the Age of Aquarius.

On that we can agree. The New Age/Globalists types. Not saying that all New Agers fall into that category but I feel a large majority have been misled. They think they are bucking the system by studying the knowledge of the mystery schools and traveling the path of esoterica. But in reality they are playing right into the hands of the new world order. It fits quite nicely into this category of mind control. They brainwash people into believing they are rebelling against a system that enslaves them when actually they are just trading one prison for another.
"If you are going to control any population
for any length of time, you must have some measure of consent." Aldous Huxley
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wolfshadow
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JC I'm not trying to fight with anyone so please if anyone took what I have said as being disrespectful then I do apologize.I do agree that we are all just trying to find answers and share anything that we may have discovered with one another.
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I observed an ancient school of Satanism in Oakland, Ca., that I won't say where or what they were, but that they were seriously translating some kind of Latin texts that they had passed down through the ages, in preparation for these days. The name would be recognizable. I don't remember what it was at this moment actually. The only thing that I could tell as why they were "Satanists" is that they had names for Demons, but otherwise you would think they were a Pagan cult with Wiccan practices. They had the Vatican released type of script writing for the fallen angels, in that perhaps these angels are extraterrestrials. I did not recognize any of the names posted in the scripts for any of the drones, by-the-way. They did not have any malice to the Pagan cults, including Catholics, as in their view Christians are a new religion. They do in fact chart Astrology, not in that the light from certain stars effects us, but that the position in the galaxy effects us. And...so, thusly: the age upon us is from the great solar year and our science -but a latest incantation of Alchemy. The great Pagan cults in the many paths, all seem the same to me at a certain level: each are in some way perhaps at the mercy of the great solar year of the dawn of Aquarius. Things will change, as we can see, because of the environment, and our perceptions of the small things and the trivial things may shift to other priorities. Perhaps the way to survive is like that of the cult(s) in Texas, where there is a group-think type of survival. In any case, whatever.
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fortwynt
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Interesting, Newel.
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Galatians 4:16
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wolfshadow
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The name that comes to mind with satanist in California is Lavey (sp) I can only think of the last name.

I have an off the wall question with MC I was watching ER last night and they injected some quick foam into this guys iv to make him forget that he was diagnosed with cancer.Now from watching behind the scenes stuff with ER they supposedly do there reasearch does anyone know if there is possibly any truth to this?I'm curious.
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miaree9
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Anton LaVey.
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wolfshadow
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Thank-you Miaree
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fortwynt
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There are plenty of drugs out there that could be used to temporarily (and in some cases permanently) wipe someones memory...now as to a specifc event, i dont hardly think so, just in a general sense.
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Galatians 4:16
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wolfshadow
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I wasn't sure because it is a television show but sometimes tv and movies somewhat imitate life in a way.I guess what's scary is if there are drugs out there that can do this how hard would it be to spike as an example bottled water and then start reprogramming people?I know it is a stretch but it makes you wonder.
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"Trust is a hard thing to give and even harder to earn"
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fortwynt
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Oh, not hard at all wolf. Not hard at all. And dare I say, it has been done many times. Furthermore, with some folks you don't even need drugs ... you can basically snap your fingers in front of their face and they turn into a blank slate...imagine THAT knowledge falling into the wrong hands...unfortunately it was in the wrong hands long before it was in the right ones.
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Galatians 4:16
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fortwynt
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A friend and I, in another life, used to get a big kick out of how easily some people can be influenced to believe more or less anything...or basically how easy it was to affect the perceptions, and thus the thought processes, of just about anyone with little or no effort. We were masters of this.

Granted to us it was merely a quirky magic trick-like situation, we would never have dared harm anyone with that power, we were only there to demonstrate to people how easy it was. Think of the fellows who get people to let them break into their homes, to demonstrate how unsecure they really were...this is sort of the game we would play with people from time to time.

Mind you, this was long ago, we were young, and highly interested in perception and subjects relating to that.

It's actually quite interesting how easy people are led down this or that path with no drugs, no force, nothing at all but a smile, a nod, and a friendly association.

I realize some might read this and surmise that we were operating in an unfair way, diabolical, etc....but again, it was no more to us than a curious magic trick, which we were always fans of that too, no more harmful than the misdirection employed with such things as that.

(things like picking out a person across the room, pretending to whisper to one another while throwing little glances at them here and there, just as an example)

Makes you wonder why so many millions of dollars need to be spent to accomplish virtually the same outcome with all sorts of elaborate types of things...I suppose it is a time issue...much less effective for dark forces to spend TIME influencing someone...I suppose with drugs, hypnotics, brainwashing, you can achieve a much more solid end, but i wouldn't know anything about that.
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Galatians 4:16
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Dr. Newel
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re: mind control belief system
When I went in for my first "Audit," in Scientology it was a way of clearing Psychosomatic illness. Example: my motorcycle accident as a young man resulted in a slight limp. Since the injury was cured a long time ago, it was only PsychoSomatic. After the audit the limp was "cured." That is all at that level Scientology is, a relief from these psyche symptoms.

The satanist cult in Oakland was not associated with the Church of Satan, which was a self proclaimed cult of the founder Anton LaVey.

From what I could just put together as an anthropologist, with an associate's degree in Social and Behavioural Sciences, in that I later parlaid in to a career as a security guard for a short time, they had latin texts from the same schools of knowledge from the vatican. The original texts must have been sanscrit, or cuniform. They also had an interest in the "necronaumican" (sp). H.P. Lovecraft had access to the same bodies of knowledge that these guys did, as well as some other lit. people.
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Dr. Newel
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re: Golden Dawn
Cypher Documents of the Golden Dawn

"These documents were translated from their arcane language into English by Dr. William Westcott [a Freemason] and MacGregor Mathers..."
-Philip A. Shreffer, The H.P. Lovecraft Companion

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the whole link is below

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/gnosis/golden.html

-------------------------------------------------

Aleister Crowley is the one whom was a famous or infamous member of the Golden Dawn order. Note as you read how they interlink, the Masons, and Rosicrucians figure in to this. The source manuscripts, or source documents are somewhere. A lot of religions had access to, or wanted access to these documents, and in all likleyhood the Vatican Library that is closed now is in possession of the source materials.

Lord of The Rings, and a few other mythos lines come from the source materials. Lovercraft had a series of books of a group of paranormal researches in New England, and I believe hearing once that it was autobiographical in nature to their research.

As stated above, from an anthropological perspective, the source documents need to be found and put together to get at how these stories, myths, and accounts fit together and how they played out in history.

The Dead Sea Scrolls, also play in to these accounts with the gnostic descriptions that categorize the extraterrestrial aliens as Archons, etc.
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Dr. Newel
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Re: Satanism Summary

1. Anton LaVey
a. Church of Satan
2. Aleister Crowley
a. Order of the Golden Dawn
3. L.R. Hubbard
a. Scientology

I think that Scienntology was one man's educated attempt to gather knowledge from different places and do something good with it. At my low level in Scientology, it worked for me to cure Psychosomantic Illness.

The Order of the Golden Dawn goes back in history, as likely a warning for the age of Aquarius. As we rotate through the galaxy in the great solar year, the physical constants of the universe may change, our planet will change, and who knows we may be on the verge of again being in the realm of forgotten high magic.

The Church of Satan is no more, and the last I heard was in bankruptcy. There are still Army Chaplains in the faith and participate in PSYOPS, and Army Mind Control. I have not looked in to it, ony have seen articles about it.
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Second Wind
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Wolfshadow, below are two links that you may find interesting, in view of your questions about what was depicted in the ER episode.


Versed Busters


Eracing the Pain of the Past


Amnesia Drugs


In the last link, the article begins:

"An amnesia drug that blocks or deletes bad memories is under development by researchers at Harvard and McGill University (in Montreal)."



It should not be forgotton that Harvard and McGill are just two of the most FAMOUS sites for MKUltra experiments.
"In the end, only kindness matters."
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Dr. Newel
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re: Date Rape Drugs

There are date rape drugs in use by the Armed Forces allready. They give them out to Marines whom fan out and conduct operation for purposes unknown. They are called neuroleptics. They ran around europe giving them out trying to find the spies, etc.
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wolfshadow
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SW thanks for the links.I can remember when I had my appendix taken out I came out early while in surgery I didn't feel any pain but I do remember them telling me to calm down or they would have to restrain me.That's the second time I've been under and come out early the first is when I had all 4 wisdom pulled I could feel them tugging away but again no pain.


Dr.Newell you made reference to the Necronomican in an above post if memory serves me correct that book is the supposed book of the dead capable of conjuring up demons and such,not %100 sure.
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Dr. Newel
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Re: Necronomicom
I bought the book and read it. The introduction has a long series of testimonials. Then there are sections showing the demon names in it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necronomicon

The writings of the names of the demons, calls up the demons.

Anyway, it is a book by H.P. Lovecraft. He is a fiction writer. That book he wrote, but in it he claims it is from an actual book as a copy. In any case it comes from source materials that are either lost or being kept hidden or have not been translated yet.

Viewing the written names of demons or angels invoke them. Something front loaded in our DNA recognizes the writings of the angels.

however: I have seen translation of real writings such as these. They are out there plenty. That is the difference: I have seen the real thing and it looks very much like what is portraid in the commercial book.

The Dead Sea Scrolls is something like this. They have categories of the angels listed with names, and go in depth. It is the names of the angels and fallen angels that invoke them.
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Second Wind
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Wow, Wolfshadow, what a horrific couple of experiences.

I had a similar, but different, situation, where I was about to undergo a tubal ligation, and I was given the paralytic drug BEFORE I was unconscious. My last sensation before going unconscious, was of my chest muscles becoming paralyzed. It was literally like suffocating. It only lasted a few seconds (that I remember), before I went out.....but it left an emotional scar that took nearly 20 years to get over (enough so that I would finally have surgery for endometriosis).


Dr. Newel, interesting about the neuroleptics being given to military. How do you know about that? I wish you would post links to this stuff!

But I am not sure why you referred to neuroleptics (which are also known as "antipsychotics") as "Date Rape" drugs. The drugs used for that purpose are in the benzodiazapine family (most well known is Rohypnol).

In any event, some links to document your posts would be helpful.
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Dr. Newel
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re: Links
As far as the tendency for rogue Marines to go out and conduct themselves in a manner such as that of an illegal operation, I am afraid that there will be no links for such activity, as you will have to base your opinions on my personal accounts.

re: Book of the Dead
I have also purchased and went through the so-called Egyptian Book of the Dead. It seemed to be some kind of synthesis of a thought of their after-life idea. Various versions were placed as scrolls with bodies at certain time frames.
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Second Wind
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Found the article below, while doing some digging:

Dept. of Homeland Security Contracts Russian Mind Control Company



And below is the company referred to in the above article:

Psychotechnology Research Institute



Ain't it grand?
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Dr. Newel
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I think some one is using this on me, destroying my life and property. I recently saw a black muslim, on a cell phone conducting the direction this goes to in the U.S. Imagine, black radical muslims buying Russian mind control and using it on the whites to pay them back for slavery during a war on terror. The terrorists are in control of the U.S. program to protect us.
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Second Wind
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Posted on Wednesday, May 21, 2008 - 3:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Distractions notwithstanding, I will continue to bump threads that might help someone like me, looking for answers.
"In the end, only kindness matters."