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Southern Cross
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Post Number: 1307
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

It's just a cheap cd player. I did hear the wavering of the two tones that was supposed to indicate the brain halves receiving different signals.
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dirkwright
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Post Number: 1073
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 3:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Hmm, I don't know then. Try flipping the headphones and see if that matters. I guess you can't flip some headphones left to right. Are you using ear buds?
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 4:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I tried both headphones and the earbuds that you get from an airline. Garbage. No, you can't flip the headphones over.
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dirkwright
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Post Number: 1074
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 6:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Uh, well, I'm stumped then. I can only suggest getting some really good headphones and using them. Maybe there's something wrong with the CD player? Did you try the CD in your really nice CD player with headphones on? I like these guys for headphone products.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 7:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thanks, Dirk. I decided to get some new headphones from the MI store. I got the ones they use at the seminars.
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Southern Cross
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Post Number: 1310
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 7:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I think I may get a new small cd player, too. I'll see what they have at your link.
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Southern Cross
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Post Number: 1313
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Anyway, apart from the technical difficulties, I enjoyed my first cd. My initial thoughts were that Bob does a classic hypnotic induction, and then the pulse tones create the state of deep relaxation. I noticed with level 10, I experienced feeling of floating or energy waves that I have experienced during hypnosis. I also felt certain parts of my body heat up. The only strange thing was that at some point I got a real choking sensation, and I felt like I was coughing some kind of energy out. I can't explain it better. I did not see strong visual effects, the way I sometimes do in my own natural meditative states, nor did I feel the strong buzzing or crawling electrical sensations that accompany so many of my OBE experiences. I did notice that I started to feel a sense of pounding near my heart chakra that can signal an OBE beginning. That pounding is a tough challenge to get over, because at first you may feel that you are either panicking or having a heart attack. So all in all, I would say that it was a positive experience.
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dirkwright
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Post Number: 1076
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Hey, that's great! I really admire all the physical and visual effects you achieve both in meditation and listening to this CD. You can listen more than once of course. I don't get these kinds of effects and I don't understand why. When I close my eyes, I see swirling blue and white energy as well as points of light that show up then disappear. I believe the points of light are other entities checking me out. The swirling energy often forms expanding concentric circles that come from a central area of origin in my field of view. I've only had the waves of energy a few times, but I did have extraordinary wave energy several years ago that lead to other experiences. Sometimes when I take a nap in the afternoon, I will get into this state where my body feels like it's engulfed in a powerful energy field, but it's not pulsing or wave like at all. During these times, my body is asleep but I'm awake. I have yet to get out of my body during these naps though.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

The spiritual eye that is seen in meditation is described as a circle of blue, surrounded by a halo of yellow. The blue has a five pointed white star in the center. Sometimes I see parts of it, and it looks like the swirling blue and the white flashes.
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dirkwright
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Post Number: 1080
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Hmm, that's interesting, thanks. I still haven't received anything from SRF. I'm not sure if they have even cashed my check yet.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I've also been told that many of the physical vibrations and such that you feel before an OBE are movements of energy through blockages. The more adept you get, the less you notice them. I would guess that since you seem to be able to acheive the OB state so easily, you would be long past feeling those kind of energy affects.
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dirkwright
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Post Number: 1081
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Quite often, the swirling energy I see with my eyes closed will form into the face of a gray ET. weird.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

SRF is SLOW, if anything. They'll get back to you. It usually takes some time.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I've seen it turn into a gray, too. I haven't a clue as to what that is.
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dirkwright
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Post Number: 1082
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thanks, you are very very sweet to say that to me. My ears are blushing.

Getting out of body doesn't seem to be a big deal to me sometimes. This morning was one example. I've some cool things just be getting my arms out. I just wish I could do these things while in body.
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dirkwright
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Post Number: 1083
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Oh wow! you too! Oh God, that's great! you've got so much in common with me! Don't I know you from somewhere?
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dirkwright
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Post Number: 1084
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I guess SRF runs on volunteer power? Maybe they have slowed themselves down so much that it takes them a half an hour to sign their name? I'm just joking, I'm sure they are very good and sincere people.
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Southern Cross
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Post Number: 1322
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I think it's pretty cool how easily you get out of your body and manage to stay local. I also think it's important to learn about you own personal signals and experiences and work to interpret what they mean to you.

SRF has both volunteers, monastics, and some employees.
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dirkwright
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Now I'm really blushing! Thank you so much! You are very very wise woman!
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 8:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I know you've spent a long time working on spiritual things. Have you always been able to get out of your body so easily? Did you do it as a child?
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dirkwright
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Post Number: 1093
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 9:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

No, my first OBE that I remember was when I was about 24 years old, after my enlightenment experience. I would just pop out with no drama, but be confused and scared and pop back into my body. Thank you for thinking that I'm some kind of child prodigy of OBE's. I'm not. Your compliments make my heart sing.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 9:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

No, a friend of mine would pop out all the time as a child and start floating down the stairs. I just wondered when it started. However, it did take some preparation for you to get to that experience when you were 24.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 9:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

When I use to meditate in high school, I would get to the point where my heart would start pounding for no logical reason. I really wanted an OBE at that age and that's why I was meditating. I trained myself to sleep on my back because I had read that it was easier to get out that way. My family told me that I would look like I was a corpse when I slept. Lots of years have changed that. Now I always sleep on my side.
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dirkwright
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 9:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

You are just amazing. I tried meditation when I was like 16 or so, had a interesting experience, then stopped. I had never heard of OBE's at the time. How in the world did you hear of them back then?

I sleep on my side also. I can't sleep on my back because my jaw goes slack then I choke.
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dirkwright
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 9:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I'm kind of interested in taking the manifesting class at the MI someday. I think they call it MC2. They bend spoons and forks, then get on to the more serious stuff I think. I need more money first. crap.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 9:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

That one caught my eye as well. I'm more naturally interested in the rv class for some reason. I really got into the whole "manifesting" thing in the mid eighties. I became pretty good at it by the mid 1990's.
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dirkwright
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 9:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Really? you bent spoons and such back then? OMG, I don't know what to say any more. I want to do things with you that I can't write about here.

I think the RV stuff is cool too. I like so many of the courses they offer there. I've had some spontaneous RV events before, but apparently many people have done that.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 9:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

The Robert Monroe book was published in 1971. I was in high school then.
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dirkwright
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 9:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Oh, ok. thanks. How did you come across his book?
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2006 - 9:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I think I must have haunted the new age part of the book stores and library. The only thing I remember clearly is that I say an article about astrological sun signs when I was nine and really got into it then.
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dirkwright
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Post Number: 1106
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 8:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Growing up in a military family, where my Dad was alcoholic, and my Mom was repressed by shyness, I didn't get out much, though as a teenager I did venture the 2 mile walk to the public library. I did manage to check out a book on meditation, but mostly I was consumed with thoughts of sex. My Dad I think had some kind of porno addiction too, and it rubbed off on his sons. That compulsive obsession is long gone in me now. So, I wasn't likely to be taken to book stores very often, and they were too far away to go to and I had basically no money either. I remember spending time at home looking at catalogs and whatever books were around the house, like books on fishing or boats. My mother spent most of her time watching TV from morning until late at night. She loved her soaps. I knew about astrology at a young age in elementary school and I knew what sign I was, etc. I remember learning how to play chess when I was like 8 or 9, getting a couple of books on it, playing the kids at school. I had a wonderful psychic experience at the age of about 9. I remember floating down this river-like flow that felt just delicious and then into my body. It may be true that we don't really fully join our bodies until about that age, I don't know. That may have been the time that I completely joined my own.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I woke up at three last night and decided to listen to the MI cd. This time I got into a state of deep relaxation more quickly and started to feel similar experiences to some in my past. Specifically, I seemed to start observing my body as asleep, with my normal sleep breathing pattern. I heard a slight whistling noise, and soon discovered that I was snoring a bit. So I guess we can hear ourselves snoring. Next I started getting some sharp visual flashes in the third eye area and felt a warm electrical sensation at the third eye. I started hearing someone asking me questions such as "Who are you," and "Where did you come from?" I remember answering "From the Source," as if I had answered the question many times before in a class. I was getting deeper and deeper and then "Bob," said he was going to wake me up. I said to myself, "No you aren't," and I took off the headset. I turned over on the couch, and noticed that I still heard "the tone" from the cd in my right ear. I thought "what the heck?" Then I fell asleep. I think I'd enjoy going to the MI and having a moderator to talk this over with.
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dirkwright
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 5:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Those questions are classics. I have learned them over and over again. They are: "where did you come from, who are you, and where are you going?" You gave the proper answer, of course, because you are a very very good student, much better than me.

I need to get some good quality in-the-ear headphones so I can lay on my side when I listen to these things. I too have been woken up by my own snoring.

I have also had the sounds from the CD in my head after listening was over, so you are not alone in that experience. When you do go to the MI, there is a huge amount of support, both by physical and non-physical beings. They call it a hospital for the soul.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 8:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I'm not a good student, Dirk. Just easily brainwashed. I think the other question was were are you going. I had never heard them before. It's nice to know that my questions are normal.
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dirkwright
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 8:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I've had those questions in my mind for over 20 years now. They are important. I'm glad that something I have is apparently rubbing off on you.

I have no intention of brainwashing you, I hope you know that.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 8:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Naw, I was thinking about the stuff they used to make us learn in Church. There were some questions and we had to memorize the answers.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 8:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Have you figured out how that tone can stay in your ear after you stop listening?
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dirkwright
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 8:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Probably because you memorized it somehow. I have music in my head almost all the time.

I never had to deal with church because we didn't go. We went sailing instead. Or I was camping with the Boy Scouts.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 8:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I think I would have liked camping better than church.
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dirkwright
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 8:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Sorry you suffered like that. What can I do to help?
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dirkwright
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 8:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

You seem sad or tired tonight, not your usual perky self. Hope you're OK.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 9:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I am a bit tired. Gotta go. My tv show is on. Sleep well.
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dirkwright
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Posted on Sunday, October 15, 2006 - 9:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Good Night
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dirkwright
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Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 9:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

While I was at the MI, I met one of my spirit guides. I'd known I had at least one for a long time, since a psychic told me about them. He described them as like the three wise men from the story of Jesus, though of course I don't place any relevance on that. Anyway, during one of the sessions I saw a large African man in royal tribal dress reach his hand out and smile at me, introducing himself. It was very brief, but I knew who he was. His outfit was very beautiful, gold with red trim, long sleeves and covering his entire body, as well as a matching hat, just like African royalty wear. I just had the thought that I should try and communicate with him. I'm reading Paul Elder's book, and he's doing that in the chapter I'm reading now. I'm a little afraid of what he'd tell me though, like the future may not be what I hope it may be, that I'm heading for intense pain or something like that. Sometimes it's better to not know the future, to just enjoy the moment.
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dirkwright
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Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 9:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I just ordered a CD set from the hemi-sync store called "Opening the Heart". It's based on the Heartline course, which I'd like to take some day.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I have always been drawn to the three wise men. I would make them over and over in Christmas decorations. Please give my regards to this guide of yours.
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dirkwright
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Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 8:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Hi SC, I will try and remember to do that if I ever see him again. I have a fear of the future, though I know intellectually that my intention creates my future, but still, the fear is there, so I am often reluctant to consult with those that know my future, or have any idea about it, so, I don't usually try and make contact with my guides for that reason.
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dirkwright
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Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 8:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I'm reading Bob's last book "Ultimate Journey" and I have to say that I am not impressed. I'm about a quarter of the way through and I'm finding that I disagree with a lot of what he is saying. It's way too left brain for me. Of course, he consciously tried to avoid appearing "spiritual" at all, so I guess that's the way it came out. He was all into using science to figure out this psychic stuff and I don't agree with that very much. He lost the magic and mystery of love in the process.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 10:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I agree with you Dirk. I think it was the kind of thing that was popular to write at the time. Don't forget that Bob was a pioneer in that he was willing to put himself and his professional reputation at risk before the public with his books. He needed to put himself in the position of the detached scientist to be taken at all seriously, especially in the psychiactric community. There are often vast differences between what one believes and what one is willing to publish. I know what you are saying about the magic and mystery. I think that's one of the reasons that I drifted away from his books. Now I feel like I understand a bit more.
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Southern Cross
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Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 10:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I feel a bit torn about the guides. I believe that a great deal of the future is partially frozen, but can be changed. When I know about some future events, I can manipulate them to a certain extent. As for the rest, I don't really want to know.