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Thomas
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Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 3:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

There are some pretty "advanced discussions" on the subject of Mind Control here and there on this forum. But I'm not very advanced. I'm pretty much a beginner where all of this is concerned.

Although I've always suspected that there was "more to the story" than school, church, or the media was telling us, I could never really "prove it." But it stuck in the back of my head anyway, always bugging me.

When I came to this forum, I read posts by several highly intelligent people who were writing about Mind Control, but I always felt like I was on "the short bus."

Today I ran across this article; it's called "The Doors of Perception: Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything." I found it very, very enlightening - and even, considering its size, "compact." I thought it might be a good place to begin getting "up to speed" on what I suspect is maybe the most important subject nobody "out there" ever talks about. (Sorry for the length of this post - but I thought maybe getting these things "on the record" as a reference might be helpful, should a thread on "Getting Up to Speed on Mind Control" turn out to be of interest to anyone.)

I'm not vouching for every single claim in the following quote, but I do think it provides an excellent "springboard to discussion" on the subject of "Getting Up to Speed on Mind Control."


quote:

THE DOORS OF PERCEPTION:
WHY AMERICANS WILL BELIEVE ALMOST ANYTHING
- Tim O'Shea

Aldous Huxley's inspired 1954 essay detailed the vivid, mind-expanding, multisensory insights of his mescaline adventures. By altering his brain chemistry with natural psychotropics, Huxley tapped into a rich and fluid world of shimmering, indescribable beauty and power. With his neurosensory input thus triggered, Huxley was able to enter that parallel universe described by every mystic and space captain in recorded history. Whether by hallucination or epiphany, Huxley sought to remove all bonds, all controls, all filters, all cultural conditioning from his perceptions and to confront Nature or the World or Reality first-hand - in its unpasteurized, unedited, unretouched infinite rawness.

Those bonds are much harder to break today, half a century later. We are the most conditioned, programmed beings the world has ever known. Not only are our thoughts and attitudes continually being shaped and molded; our very awareness of the whole design seems like it is being subtly and inexorably erased. The doors of our perception are carefully and precisely regulated. Who cares, right?

It is an exhausting and endless task to keep explaining to people how most issues of conventional wisdom are scientifically implanted in the public consciousness by a thousand media clips per day. In an effort to save time, I would like to provide just a little background on the handling of information in this country. Once the basic principles are illustrated about how our current system of media control arose historically, the reader might be more apt to question any given story in today's news.

If everybody believes something, it's probably wrong. We call that

CONVENTIONAL WISDOM

In America, conventional wisdom that has mass acceptance is usually contrived: somebody paid for it. Examples:

• Pharmaceuticals restore health
• Vaccination brings immunity
• The cure for cancer is just around the corner
• Menopause is a disease condition
• When a child is sick, he needs immediate antibiotics
• When a child has a fever he needs Tylenol
• Hospitals are safe and clean.
• America has the best health care in the world.
• Americans have the best health in the world.
• Milk is a good source of calcium.
• You never outgrow your need for milk.
• Vitamin C is ascorbic acid.
• Aspirin prevents heart attacks.
• Heart drugs improve the heart.
• Back and neck pain are the only reasons for spinal adjustment.
• No child can get into school without being vaccinated.
• The FDA thoroughly tests all drugs before they go on the market.
• Pregnancy is a serious medical condition
• Infancy is a serious medical condition
• Chemotherapy and radiation are effective cures for cancer
• When your child is diagnosed with an ear infection, antibiotics should be given immediately 'just in case'
• Ear tubes are for the good of the child.
• Estrogen drugs prevent osteoporosis after menopause.
• Pediatricians are the most highly trained of al medical specialists.
• The purpose of the health care industry is health.
• HIV is the cause of AIDS.
• AZT is the cure.
• Without vaccines, infectious diseases will return
• Fluoride in the city water protects your teeth
• Flu shots prevent the flu.
• Vaccines are thoroughly tested before being placed on the Mandated Schedule.
• Doctors are certain that the benefits of vaccines far outweigh any possible risks.
• There is a terrorist threat in the US.
• There is a bioterrorist threat in the US.
• The NASDAQ is a natural market controlled by supply and demand.
• Chronic pain is a natural consequence of aging.
• Soy is your healthiest source of protein.
• Insulin shots cure diabetes.
• After we take out your gall bladder you can eat anything you want
• Allergy medicine will cure allergies.
• An airliner can be flown with professional precision by a group of crazed amateurs into a 100-storey building and can cause that building to collapse on its own footprint. Twice.
• The Iraqis blew up the World Trade Center.
• This is a list of illusions, that have cost billions to conjure up. Did you ever wonder why most people in this country generally accept most of the above statements?

PROGRAMMING THE VIEWER

Even the most undiscriminating viewer may suspect that TV newsreaders and news articles are not telling us the whole story. The slightly more lucid may have begun to glimpse the calculated intent of standard news content and are wondering about the reliability and accuracy of the way events are presented. For the very few who take time to research beneath the surface of the daily programming and who are still capable of independent thought, a somewhat darker picture begins to emerge. These may perceive bits of evidence of the profoundly technical science behind much of what is served up in mass media.

Events taking place in today's world are enormously complex. An impossibly convoluted tangle of interrelated and unrelated occurrences happens simultaneously, often in dynamic conflict. To even acknowledge this complexity contradicts a fundamental axiom of media science: Keep It Simple.

In real life, events don't take place in black and white, but in a thousand shades of grey. Just discovering the actual facts and events as they transpire is difficult enough. The river is different each time we step into it. By the time a reasonable understanding of an event has been apprehended, new events have already made that interpretation obsolete. And this is not even adding historical, social, or political elements into the mix, which are necessary for interpretation of events. Popular media gives up long before this level of analysis.

Media stories cover only the tiniest fraction of actual events, but stupidly claim to be summarizing "all the news."

The final goal of media is to create a following of docile, unquestioning consumers. To that end, three primary tools have historically been employed:

•deceit
•dissimulation
•distraction

Over time, the sophistication of these tools of propaganda has evolved to a very structured science, taking its cues in an unbroken line from principles laid down by the Father of Spin himself, Edward L Bernays, over a century ago, as we will see.

Let's look at each tool very briefly:

DECEIT

Deliberate misrepresentation of fact has always been the privilege of the directors of mass media. Their agents - the PR industry - cannot afford random objective journalism interpreting events as they actually take place. This would be much too confusing for the average consumer, who has been spoonfed his opinions since the day he was born. No, we can't have that. In all the confusion the viewer might get the idea that he is supposed to make up his own mind about the significance of some event or other. The end product of good media is single-mindedness. Confusion and individual interpretation of events do not foster the homogenized, one-dimensional lemming outlook.

For this reason, events must have a spin put on them - an interpretation, a frame of reference. Subtleties are omitted; all that is presented is the bottom line. The minute that decision is made - what spin to put on a story - we have left the world of reporting and entered the world of propaganda. By definition, propaganda replaces faithful reporting with deceitful reporting.

Here's an obvious example: the absurd and unremitting allegations of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction as a rationale for the invasion of Iraq. Of course none were ever found, but that is irrelevant. We weren't really looking for any weapons - but the deceit served its purpose - get us in there. Later the ruse can be abandoned and forgotten; its usefulness is over. And nobody will notice. Characterization of Saddam as a murderous tyrant was decided to be an insufficient excuse for invading a sovereign nation. After all, there are literally dozens of murderous tyrants the world over, going their merry ways. We can't be expected to police all of them.

So it was decided that the murderous tyrant thing, though good, was not enough. To whip a sleeping people into war consciousness has historically involved one additional prerequisite: threat. Saddam must therefore be not only a baby-killing maniac; he must be a threat to the rest of the world, especially America. Why? Because he has weapons of mass destruction. For almost two years, this myth was assiduously programmed into the lowest common denominator of awareness which Americans substitute for consciousness. Even though the myth has now been openly dismissed by the Regime itself, the majority of us still believe it.

Hitler used the exact same tack with the Czechs and Poles at the beginning of his rampage. These peaceful peoples were not portrayed as an easy mark for the German war machine - no, they were a threat to the Fatherland itself. Just like Albania in the Dustin Hoffman movie. And threats must be removed by all available force.

With Iraq, the fact that UN inspectors never came up with any of these dread weapons before Saddam was captured - this fact was never mentioned again. That one phrase - WMD WMD WMD - repeated ad nauseam month after month had served its purpose - whip the people into war mode. It didn't have to be true; it just had to work. A staggering indicator of how low the general awareness had sunk is that this mantra continued to be used as our license to invade Iraq long after our initial assault. If Saddam had any such weapons, probably a good time to trot them out would be when a foreign country is moving in, wouldn't you say?

No weapons were ever found, nor will they be. So confident was the PR machine in the general inattention to detail commonly exhibited by the comatose American people that they didn't even find it necessary to plant a few mass weapons in order to justify the invasion. It was almost insulting.

So we see that a little deceit goes a long way. All it takes is repetition. Lay the groundwork and the people will buy anything. After that just ride it out until they seem doubtful again. Then onto the next deceit.

DISSIMULATION

A second tool that is commonly used to create mass intellectual torpor is dissimulation. Dissimulation simply means to pretend not to be something you are. Like some insects who can disguise themselves as leaves or twigs, pretending not to be insects. Or bureaucrats who pretend not to be acting in their own interest, but rather in the public interest. To pretend not to be what you are.

Whether it's the BushLeague in Iraq or Hitler in Germany, aggressors do not present themselves as marauding invaders initiating hostilities, but instead as defenders against external threats.

Freedom-annihilating edicts like the Homeland Security Act and the Patriot Act - currently the law of the land - do not represent themselves as the negation of every principle the Founding Fathers laid down, or as shaky pretexts for the Takers to further loot the country, but rather as public services, benevolent and necessary new rules to ensure our SECURITY against various imagined enemies. To pretend to be what you are not: dissimulation.

Other obvious examples of dissimulation we see today include:

• pretending like the world's resources are not finite
• pretending like more and more government will not further stifle an already struggling economy
• pretending like programs favoring "minorities" are not just another form of racism
• pretending like drug laws are necessary for national security
• pretending like passing more and more laws every year is not geared ultimately for the advancement of the law enforcement, security, and prison industries
• pretending there is a bioterrorist threat in the US today
• pretending there is a terrorist threat in the US today
• pretending the present regime has not benefited from every program that came out of 9/11

To pretend to be what you are not: dissimulation.


DISTRACTION

A third tool necessary to media in order to keep the public from thinking too much is distraction. Bread and circuses worked for Caesar in old Rome. The people need to be kept quiet while the small group in power carries out its agenda, which always involves fortifying its own position.

All actions of the present Reich since 9/11 may be explained by plugging in one of four beneficiaries:

Oil
Pharmaceuticals
War gear
Security systems

Every act, every political event, every public statement of the present administration has promoted one or more of these huge sectors. More oil, more drugs, more weapons, more security.

But the people mustn't be allowed to notice things like that. So they must be smokescreened by other stuff , blatant obvious stuff which is really easy to understand and which they think has a greater bearing on their day to day life. A classic axiom of propaganda is that people shouldn't be allowed to think too much about what the government is doing in their name. After all, there's more to life than politics, right? So while the power group has its cozy little war going on, the people need to have their attention diverted.

All the strong men of history would have given their eyeteeth to have at their disposal the number and types of distractions available to today's regimes:

- TV sports, its orchestrated frenzy and spectacle
- Super Sunday
- an endless succession of unspeakably boring, inane movies, short on plot, long on CGI
- the wanton sexless flash of MTV with its uninspired lack of talent, a study in split second phony images
- colossally dull TV programs which serve the secondary purpose of instilling proper robot attitudes into people who have little other instruction in life values
- the artistic Mojave of modern music, with its soulless cyber-droning, a constant quest for the nadir of reptilian brain stimulation, devoid of lyrical competence, instrumental proficiency, or passion
- the ever-retreating promise of financial success, switched now to the trappings and toys that suggest success, available to anyone with a credit card
- organized superstitions of all varieties, with their requisite pseudo-spiritual trappings
- the constant dramatization of crimes and "issues" throughout the world whose collective goal is the humble and grateful acknowledgement of "how good we've really got it"
- dwelling for months on the minutiae of unsupported allegations of impropriety, preferably sexual, of a celebrity personality


With these noisy, banal distractions the forces promoting the general decline in intelligence and awareness jubilantly engulf us on all sides. Media science holds the advantage: as people get dumber and dumber year by year it gets easier and easier to keep them dumb. The only challenge is that their threshold keeps getting lower. So in order to keep their attention, messages have to become more obvious and blatant, taking nothing for granted.

Here are some indicators of our declining intelligence:

- flagrant errors of grammar and spelling rampant in advertising, which go unnoticed

- declining SAT scores and the arbitrary resetting of Average, which has occurred at least twice in the past 8 years, in order to cover up how dumb our kids are really getting

- increased volume and decreased speed of the voices of newsreaders on radio and TV

- the limited vocabulary and cliched speech allowed in radio programs; the obvious lack of education and requisite pedestrian mentality required of the corporate simians who are featured on radio

- increasing illiteracy of high school graduates, both written and spoken

- the unwritten policy requiring school teachers, especially math and English teachers, to pass students who have failing marks, especially if they're a certain race or other, so that the school won't "look bad"

- decreasing requirements for masters theses and PhD dissertations in both length and content

- increasing oversimplification of movie and TV plot lines - absence of subtlety in conceptual and dramatic content; blatant moralizing of compliant robot values

- the speed at which images on TV are flashed, giving the viewer barely enough time to recognize which sledgehammer idea they are referring to before the next one appears, about 2 seconds later. That way there is no possible way the brain can follow a train of thought in any kind of depth. From childhood the brain learns that it is not to be tasked with understanding abstractions or concepts of any subtlety from the information presented. All the brain has to do is react to the incessant bombardment of fragmented ADD-generating visual stimuli without trying to derive sense or logic from it. This is why TV should be watched only with the sound off, since it has generally the same educational value as a lava lamp.

- the enormous proportion of time spent by TV channels telling the viewer what will be shown in the future, leaving no time for actually delivering what they have already endlessly promised in the recent past, which should be airing at the present moment.

- newspaper articles that are not written by reporters but that are scientifically crafted phrase by canny phrase by the PR industry and placed into the columns of syndication in the guise of 'hard news'

- Jerky, clumsy news clips, loaded with coarse innuendo and nonsequitur, ridiculously brief: most news clips evoke only the most superficial suggestion of events which may or may not have transpired, resulting generally in the transfer of no information

- the downward spiral of the level of ordinary conversations, which are commonly just exercises in stringing together random clichés from the very finite stock of endlessly repeated homogeneous bytes. It's as though we're only allowed to have 50 thoughts, and most conversation is just linking these 50 programmed audio clips together in a different order

- in popular music the overriding absence of melody, lyric, chord complexity, or instrument competence

TERRORISTS ARE US?

Imagine for a moment that 9/11 was a put-up job engineered for the sole purpose of cementing the current regime into power and frightening the bovine populace into surrendering even more of what little freedom they have left. Hypothetical situation now, just work with me a little. Imagine there never were any dissident crazed terrorists representing Osama or Saddam, but instead a highly disciplined though slightly whacked-out team of military fanatics, programmed somehow to think they were doing something valuable for some faction or other. A put-up job, from the inside.

So then imagine that all the violence and stress perpetrated on the collective American psyche since 9/11 about war, bioterrorism, and security has all been completely unnecessary. And that all the billions of dollars of extra security and wasted time in airports and borders was also totally unnecessary because there never were any terrorists, except us. And all the shrill media articles and "stories" that support the few underlying events have been unnecessary, their prime purpose being self promotion. Think how much our quality of life has suffered. What if all this stress has been totally unnecessary?

Many of our best people have come to precisely these conclusions. Once you get past the initial hurdle of being able to consider the unthinkable possibility that the present regime could be so obsessed with gaining political advantage that they would actually blow up 3000 of our own people, the rest falls into place. Over the top? Not such a stretch really when you compare the thousands that have been sacrificed to the whims of other murderous tyrants the world over throughout all of recorded history. How are we any better?

WHAT DO WE REALLY KNOW?

When it comes to a discussion of what's going on in the world, the honest individual must admit that he has almost no idea. When was the last time George Bush invited you into the Green Room for a private chat with Cheney and Ashcroft about the future of big oil? When did Bill Gates last invite you up to his Redmond digs for a wine and cheese brainstorming session about the next Big Thing? Or when did your neighbor who lives three blocks away from you call you up to tell you about the unfulfilled plans of his father who just found out he's dying of cancer? How many life stories of the world's six billion people do you know anything about?

This is to say nothing of fluid events which are coming in and out of existence every day between the nations of the world. What is really going on? Much more effort is spent covering up and packaging actual events that are taking place than in trying to accurately report and evaluate them. These are questions of epistemology – what can we know? The answer if very little, if our only source of information is the superficial everyday media. The few people who buy books don't read them. Passive absorption of pre-interpreted already-figured-out data is the preferred method

HOW IT ALL GOT STARTED

But wait, we're getting ahead of ourselves. Let's back up a minute. In their book Trust Us We're Experts, Stauber and Rampton pull together some compelling data describing the science of creating public opinion in America. They trace modern public influence back to the early part of the last century, highlighting the work of guys like Edward L. Bernays, the Father of Spin.

From his own amazing 1928 chronicle Propaganda, we learn how Edward L. Bernays took the ideas of his famous uncle Sigmund Freud himself, and applied them to the emerging science of mass persuasion. The only difference was that instead of using these principles to uncover hidden themes in the human unconscious, the way Freudian psychology does, Bernays studied these same ideas in order to learn how to mask agendas and to create illusions that deceive and misrepresent, for marketing purposes.

THE FATHER OF SPIN

Edward L. Bernays dominated the PR industry until the 1940s, and was a significant force for another 40 years after that. (Tye) During that time, Bernays took on hundreds of diverse assignments to create a public perception about some idea or product. A few examples:

As a neophyte with the Committee on Public Information, one of Bernays' first assignments was to help sell the First World War to the American public with the idea to "Make the World Safe for Democracy." (Ewen) We've seen this phrase in every war and US military involvement since that time.

A few years later, Bernays set up a stunt to popularize the notion of women smoking cigarettes. In organizing the 1929 Easter Parade in New York City, Bernays showed himself as a force to be reckoned with. He organized the Torches of Liberty Brigade in which suffragettes marched in the parade smoking cigarettes as a mark of women's liberation. After that one event, women would be able to feel secure about destroying their own lungs in public, the same way that men have always done.

Bernays popularized the idea of bacon for breakfast.

Not one to turn down a challenge, he set up the liaison between the tobacco industry and the American Medical Association that lasted for nearly 50 years. They proved to all and sundry that cigarettes were beneficial to health. Just look at ads in old issues of Life, Look, Time or Journal of the American Medical Association from the 40s and 50s in which doctors are recommending this or that brand of cigarettes as promoting healthful digestion, or whatever.

During the next several decades Bernays and his colleagues evolved the principles by which masses of people could be generally swayed through messages repeated over and over, hundreds of times per week.

Once the economic power of media became apparent, other countries of the world rushed to follow our lead. But Bernays remained the gold standard. He was the source to whom the new PR leaders across the world would always defer. Even Josef Goebbels, Hitler's minister of propaganda, closely studied the principles of Edward Bernays when Goebbels was developing the popular rationale he would use to convince the Germans that in order to purify their race they had to kill 6 million of the impure. (Stauber)

SMOKE AND MIRRORS

As he saw it, Bernay's job was to reframe an issue; to create a desired image that would put a particular product or concept in a desirable light. He never saw himself as a master hoodwinker, but rather as a beneficent servant of humanity, providing a valuable service. Bernays described the public as a 'herd that needed to be led.' And this herdlike thinking makes people "susceptible to leadership." Bernays never deviated from his fundamental axiom to "control the masses without their knowing it." The best PR happens with the people unaware that they are being manipulated.

Stauber describes Bernays' rationale like this:

"the scientific manipulation of public opinion was necessary to overcome chaos and conflict in a democratic society." -- Trust Us, p 42
These early mass persuaders postured themselves as performing a moral service for humanity in general. Democracy was too good for people; they needed to be told what to think, because they were incapable of rational thought by themselves. Here's a paragraph from Bernays' Propaganda:

"Those who manipulate the unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. In almost every act of our lives whether in the sphere of politics or business in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires that control the public mind."

A tad different from Thomas Jefferson's view on the subject:

"I know of no safe depository of the ultimate power of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise that control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not take it from them, but to inform their discretion."

Inform their discretion. Bernays believed that only a few possessed the necessary insight into the Big Picture to be entrusted with this sacred task. And luckily, he saw himself as one of that elect.

HERE COMES THE MONEY

Once the possibilities of applying Freudian psychology to mass media were glimpsed, Bernays soon had more corporate clients than he could handle. Global corporations fell all over themselves courting the new Image Makers. There were dozens of goods and services and ideas to be sold to a susceptible public. Over the years, these players have had the money to make their images happen. A few examples:

• Philip Morris
• Pfizer
• Union Carbide
• Allstate
• Monsanto
• Eli Lilly
• tobacco industry
• Ciba Geigy
• lead industry
• Coors
• DuPont
• Shell Oil
• Chlorox
• Standard Oil
• Procter & Gamble
• Boeing
• Dow Chemical
• General Motors
• Goodyear
• General Mills

THE PLAYERS

Dozens of PR firms have emerged to answer the demand for spin control. Among them:

• Burson-Marsteller
• Edelman
• Hill & Knowlton
• Kamer-Singer
• Ketchum
• Mongovin, Biscoe, and Duchin
• BSMG
• Ruder-Finn


Though world-famous within the PR industry, these are names we don't know, and for good reason. The best PR goes unnoticed. For decades they have created the opinions that most of us were raised with, on virtually any issue which has the remotest commercial value, including:

• pharmaceutical drugs
• vaccines
• medicine as a profession
• alternative medicine
• fluoridation of city water
• chlorine
• household cleaning products
• tobacco
• dioxin
• global warming
• leaded gasoline
• cancer research and treatment
• pollution of the oceans
• forests and lumber
• images of celebrities, including damage control
• crisis and disaster management
• genetically modified foods
• aspartame
• food additives; processed foods
• dental amalgams
• autism

LESSON #1

Bernays learned early on that the most effective way to create credibility for a product or an image was by "independent third-party" endorsement. For example, if General Motors were to come out and say that global warming is a hoax thought up by some liberal tree-huggers, people would suspect GM's motives, since GM's fortune is made by selling automobiles. If however some independent research institute with a very credible sounding name like the Global Climate Coalition comes out with a scientific report that says global warming is really a fiction, people begin to get confused and to have doubts about the original issue.

So that's exactly what Bernays did. With a policy inspired by genius, he set up "more institutes and foundations than Rockefeller and Carnegie combined." (Stauber p 45) Quietly financed by the industries whose products were being evaluated, these "independent" research agencies would churn out "scientific" studies and press materials that could create any image their handlers wanted. Such front groups are given high-sounding names like:

• Temperature Research Foundation
• International Food Information Council
• Consumer Alert
• The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition
• Air Hygiene Foundation
• Industrial Health Federation
• International Food Information Council
• Manhattan Institute
• Center for Produce Quality
• Tobacco Institute Research Council
• Cato Institute
• American Council on Science and Health
• Global Climate Coalition
• Alliance for Better Foods


Sound pretty legit don't they?

CANNED NEWS RELEASES

As Stauber explains, these organizations and hundreds of others like them are front groups whose sole mission is to advance the image of the global corporations who fund them, like those -listed on page 2 above. This is accomplished in part by an endless stream of 'press releases' announcing "breakthrough" research to every radio station and newspaper in the country. (Robbins) Many of these canned reports read like straight news, and indeed are purposely molded in the news format. This saves journalists the trouble of researching the subjects on their own, especially on topics about which they know very little. Entire sections of the release or in the case of video news releases, the whole thing can be just lifted intact, with no editing, given the byline of the reporter or newspaper or TV station - and voilá! Instant news - copy and paste. Written by corporate PR firms.

Does this really happen? Every single day, since the 1920s when the idea of the News Release was first invented by Ivy Lee. (Stauber, p 22) Sometimes as many as half the stories appearing in an issue of the Wall St. Journal are based solely on such PR press releases.. (22) These types of stories are mixed right in with legitimately researched stories. Unless you have done the research yourself, you won't be able to tell the difference. So when we see new "research" being cited, we should always first suspect that the source is another industry-backed front group. A common tip-off is the word "breakthrough."

THE LANGUAGE OF SPIN

As 1920s spin pioneers like Ivy Lee and Edward Bernays gained more experience, they began to formulate rules and guidelines for creating public opinion. They learned quickly that mob psychology must focus on emotion, not facts. Since the mob is incapable of rational thought, motivation must be based not on logic but on presentation. Here are some of the axioms of the new science of PR:

• technology is a religion unto itself
• if people are incapable of rational thought, real democracy is dangerous
• important decisions should be left to experts
• when reframing issues, stay away from substance; create images
• never state a clearly demonstrable lie


Words are very carefully chosen for their emotional impact. Here's an example. A front group called the International Food Information Council handles the public's natural aversion to genetically modified foods. Trigger words are repeated all through the text. Now in the case of GM foods, the public is instinctively afraid of these experimental new creations which have suddenly popped up on our grocery shelves and which are said to have DNA alterations. The IFIC wants to reassure the public of the safety of GM foods. So it avoids words like:

• Frankenfoods
• Hitler
• biotech
• chemical
• DNA
• experiments
• manipulate
• money
• safety
• scientists
• radiation
• roulette
• gene-splicing
• gene gun
• random

Instead, good PR for GM foods contains words like:

• hybrids
• natural order
• beauty
• choice
• bounty
• cross-breeding
• diversity
• earth
• farmer
• organic
• wholesome


It's just basic Freud/Tony Robbins/NLP word association. The fact that GM foods are not hybrids that have been subjected to the slow and careful scientific methods of real cross-breeding doesn't really matter. This is pseudoscience, not science. Form is everything and substance just a passing myth. (Trevanian)

Who do you think funds the International Food Information Council? Take a wild guess. Right - Monsanto, DuPont, Frito-Lay, Coca Cola, Nutrasweet - those in a position to make fortunes from GM foods. (Stauber p 20)

CHARACTERISTICS OF GOOD PROPAGANDA

As the science of mass control evolved, PR firms developed further guidelines for effective copy. Here are some of the gems:

• dehumanize the attacked party by labeling and name calling
• speak in glittering generalities using emotionally positive words
• when covering something up, don't use plain English; stall for time; distract
• get endorsements from celebrities, churches, sports figures, street people - anyone who has no expertise in the subject at hand
• the 'plain folks' ruse: us billionaires are just like you
• when minimizing outrage, don't say anything memorable
• when minimizing outrage, point out the benefits of what just happened
• when minimizing outrage, avoid moral issues




Keep this list. Start watching for these techniques. Not hard to find - look at today's paper or tonight's TV news. See what they're doing; these guys are good!

SCIENCE FOR HIRE

PR firms have become very sophisticated in the preparation of news releases. They have learned how to attach the names of famous scientists to research that those scientists have not even looked at. (Stauber, p 201) It's a common practice. In this way, the editors of newspapers and TV news shows are themselves often unaware that an individual release is a total PR fabrication. Or at least they have "deniability," right?

Stauber tells the amazing story of how leaded gas came into the picture. In 1922, General Motors discovered that adding lead to gasoline gave cars more horsepower. When there was some concern about safety, GM paid the Bureau of Mines to do some fake "testing" and publish spurious research that 'proved' that inhalation of lead was harmless. Enter Charles Kettering.

Founder of the world famous Sloan-Kettering Memorial Institute for medical research, Charles Kettering also happened to be an executive with General Motors. By some strange coincidence, we soon have Sloan-Kettering issuing reports stating that lead occurs naturally in the body and that the body has a way of eliminating low level exposure. Through its association with The Industrial Hygiene Foundation and PR giant Hill & Knowlton, Sloane-Kettering opposed all anti-lead research for years. (Stauber p 92). Without organized scientific opposition, for the next 60 years more and more gasoline became leaded, until by the 1970s, 90% or our gasoline was leaded.

Finally it became too obvious to hide that lead was a major carcinogen, which they knew all along, and leaded gas was phased out in the late 1980s. But during those 60 years, it is estimated that some 30 million tons of lead were released in vapor form onto American streets and highways. 30 million tons. (Stauber)

That is PR, my friends.

JUNK SCIENCE

In 1993 a guy named Peter Huber wrote a new book and coined a new term. The book was Galileo's Revenge and the term was junk science . Huber's shallow thesis was that real science supports technology, industry, and progress. Anything else was suddenly junk science. Not surprisingly, Stauber explains how Huber's book was supported by the industry-backed Manhattan Institute.

Huber's book was generally dismissed not only because it was so poorly written, but because it failed to realize one fact: true scientific research begins with no conclusions. Real scientists are seeking the truth because they do not yet know what the truth is.

True scientific method goes like this:

1. form a hypothesis
2. make predictions for that hypothesis
3. test the predictions
4. reject or revise the hypothesis based on the research findings




Boston University scientist Dr. David Ozonoff explains that ideas in science are themselves like "living organisms, that must be nourished, supported, and cultivated with resources for making them grow and flourish." (Stauber p 205) Great ideas that don't get this financial support because the commercial angles are not immediately obvious - these ideas wither and die.

Another way you can often distinguish real science from phony is that real science points out flaws in its own research. Phony science pretends there were no flaws.

THE REAL JUNK SCIENCE

Contrast this with modern PR and its constant pretensions to sound science. Corporate sponsored research, whether it's in the area of drugs, GM foods, or chemistry begins with predetermined conclusions. It is the job of the scientists then to prove that these conclusions are true, because of the economic upside that proof will bring to the industries paying for that research. This invidious approach to science has shifted the entire focus of research in America during the past 50 years, as any true scientist is likely to admit. If a drug company is spending 10 million dollars on a research project to prove the viability of some new drug, and the preliminary results start coming back about the dangers of that drug, what happens? Right. No more funding. The well dries up. What is being promoted under such a system? Science? Or rather Entrenched Medical Error?"

Stauber documents the increasing amount of corporate sponsorship of university research. (206) This has nothing to do with the pursuit of knowledge. Scientists lament that research has become just another commodity, something bought and sold. (Crossen)

THE TWO MAIN TARGETS OF "SOUND SCIENCE"

It is shocking when Stauber shows how the vast majority of corporate PR today opposes any research that seeks to protect

• public health
• the environment




It's a funny thing that most of the time when we see the phrase "junk science," it is in a context of defending something that threatens either the environment or our health. This makes sense when one realizes that money changes hands only by selling the illusion of health and the illusion of environmental protection or the illusion of health. True public health and real preservation of the earth's environment have very low market value.

Stauber thinks it ironic that industry's self-proclaimed debunkers of junk science are usually non-scientists themselves. (255) Here again they can do this because the issue is not science, but the creation of images.

THE LANGUAGE OF ATTACK

When PR firms attack legitimate environmental groups and alternative medicine people, they again use special words which will carry an emotional punch:

• outraged
• sound science
• junk science
• sensible
• scaremongering
• responsible
• phobia
• hoax
• alarmist
• hysteria




The next time you are reading a newspaper article about an environmental or health issue, note how the author shows bias by using the above terms. This is the result of very specialized training.

Another standard PR tactic is to use the rhetoric of the environmentalists themselves to defend a dangerous and untested product that poses an actual threat to the environment. This we see constantly in the PR smokescreen that surrounds genetically modified foods. They talk about how GM foods are necessary to grow more food and to end world hunger, when the reality is that GM foods actually have lower yields per acre than natural crops. (Stauber p 173) The grand design sort of comes into focus once you realize that almost all GM foods have been created by the sellers of herbicides and pesticides so that those plants can withstand greater amounts of herbicides and pesticides. (see The Magic Bean)

THE MIRAGE OF PEER REVIEW

Publish or perish is the classic dilemma of every research scientist. That means whoever expects funding for the next research project had better get the current research paper published in the best scientific journals. And we all know that the best scientific journals, like JAMA, New England Journal, British Medical Journal, etc. are peer-reviewed. Peer review means that any articles which actually get published, between all those full color drug ads and pharmaceutical centerfolds, have been reviewed and accepted by some really smart guys with a lot of credentials. The assumption is, if the article made it past peer review, the data and the conclusions of the research study have been thoroughly checked out and bear some resemblance to physical reality.

But there are a few problems with this hot little set up. First off, money .

Even though prestigious venerable medical journals pretend to be so objective and scientific and incorruptible, the reality is that they face the same type of being called to account that all glossy magazines must confront: don't antagonize your advertisers. Those full-page drug ads in the best journals cost millions, Jack. How long will a pharmaceutical company pay for ad space in a magazine that prints some very sound scientific research paper that attacks the safety of the drug in the centerfold? Think about it. The editors may lack moral fibre, but they aren't stupid.

Another problem is the conflict of interest thing. There's a formal requirement for all medical journals that any financial ties between an author and a product manufacturer be disclosed in the article. In practice, it never happens. A study done in 1997 of 142 medical journals did not find even one such disclosure. (Wall St. Journal, 2 Feb 99)

A 1998 study from the New England Journal of Medicine found that 96% of peer reviewed articles had financial ties to the drug they were studying. (Stelfox, 1998) Big shock, huh? Any disclosures? Yeah, right. This study should be pointed out whenever somebody starts getting too pompous about the objectivity of peer review, like they often do.

Then there's the outright purchase of space. A drug company may simply pay $100,000 to a journal to have a favorable article printed. (Stauber, p 204)

Fraud in peer review journals is nothing new. In 1987, the New England Journal ran an article that followed the research of R. Slutsky MD over a seven year period. During that time, Dr. Slutsky had published 137 articles in a number of peer-reviewed journals. NEJM found that in at least 60 of these 137, there was evidence of major scientific fraud and misrepresentation, including:

• reporting data for experiments that were never done
• reporting measurements that were never made
• reporting statistical analyses that were never done
• Engler

Dean Black PhD, describes what he the calls the Babel Effect that results when this very common and frequently undetected scientific fraud in peer-reviewed journals is quoted by other researchers, who are in turn re-quoted by still others, and so on.

Want to see something that sort of re-frames this whole discussion? Check out the McDonald's ads which routinely appear in the Journal of the American Medical Association. Then keep in mind that this is the same publication that for almost 50 years ran cigarette ads proclaiming the health benefits of tobacco. (Robbins)

Very scientific, oh yes.

KILL YOUR TV?

Hope this chapter has given you a hint to start reading newspaper and magazine articles a little differently, and perhaps start watching TV news shows with a slightly different attitude than you had before. Always ask, what are they selling here, and who's selling it? And if you actually follow up on Stauber & Rampton's book and check out some of the other resources below, you might even glimpse the possibility of advancing your life one quantum simply by ceasing to subject your brain to mass media. That's right - no more newspapers, no more TV news, no more Time magazine or People magazine Newsweek.

You could actually do that. Just think what you could do with the extra time alone.

Really feel like you need to "relax" or find out "what's going on in the world" for a few hours every day? Think about the news of the past couple of years for a minute. Do you really suppose the major stories that have dominated headlines and TV news have been "what is going on in the world?" Do you actually think there's been nothing going on besides the contrived tech slump, the contrived power shortages, the re-filtered accounts of foreign violence and disaster, even the new accounts of US retribution in the Middle East, making Afghanistan safe for democracy, bending Saddam to our will, etc., and all the other non-stories that the puppeteers dangle before us every day? What about when they get a big one, like with OJ or Monica Lewinsky or the Oklahoma city bombing? Or now with the Neo-Nazi aftermath of 9/11. Or the contrived war against Iraq? Do we really need to know all that detail, day after day? Do we have any way of verifying all that detail, even if we wanted to? What is the purpose of news? To inform the public? Hardly.

The sole purpose of news is to keep the public in a state of fear and uncertainty so that they'll watch again tomorrow to see how much worse things got and to be subjected to the same advertising.

Oversimplification? Of course. That's the mark of mass media mastery - simplicity. The invisible hand. Like Edward Bernays said, the people must be controlled without them knowing it.

Consider this: what was really going on in the world all that time they were distracting us with all that stupid vexatious daily smokescreen? We have no way of knowing. And most of it doesn't even concern us even if we could know it. Fear and uncertainty -- that's what keeps people coming back for more.

If this seems like a radical outlook, let's take it one step further:

What would you lose from your life if you stopped watching TV and stopped reading newspapers and glossy magazines altogether?

Whoa!

Would your life really suffer any financial, moral, intellectual, spiritual, or academic loss from such a decision?

Do you really need to have your family continually absorbing the illiterate, amoral, phony, culturally bereft, desperately brainless values of the people featured in the average nightly TV program? Are these fake, programmed robots "normal"?

Do you need to have your life values constantly spoonfed to you?

Are those shows really amusing, or just a necessary distraction to keep you from looking at reality, or trying to figure things out yourself by doing a little independent reading? Or perhaps from having a life?

Name one example of how your life is improved by watching TV news and reading the evening paper or the glossy magazines. What measurable gain is there for you?

What else could we be doing with all this freed-up time that would actually expand awareness?

PLANET OF THE APES?

There's no question that as a nation, we're getting dumber year by year. Look at the presidents we've been choosing lately. Ever notice the blatant grammar mistakes so ubiquitous in today's advertising and billboards? Literacy is marginal in most American secondary schools. Three-fourths of California high school seniors can't read well enough to pass their exit exams. ( SJ Mercury 20 Jul 01) If you think other parts of the country are smarter, try this one: hand any high school senior a book by Dumas or Jane Austen, and ask them to open to any random page and just read one paragraph out loud. Go ahead, do it. SAT scales are arbitrarily shifted lower and lower to disguise how dumb kids are getting year by year. (ADD: A Designer Disease) At least 10% have documented "learning disabilities," which are reinforced and rewarded by special treatment and special drugs. Ever hear of anyone failing a grade any more?

Or observe the intellectual level of the average movie which these days may only last one or two weeks in the theatres, especially if it has insufficient explosions, chase scenes, silicone, fake martial arts, and cretinesque dialogue. Doesn't anyone else notice how badly these 30 or 40 "movie stars" we keep seeing over and over in the same few plots must now overact to get their point across to an ever-dimming audience?

Radio? Consider the low mental qualifications of the falsely animated corporate simians they hire as DJs -- seems like they're only allowed to have 50 thoughts, which they just repeat at random. And at what point did popular music cease to require the study of any musical instrument or theory whatsoever, not to mention lyric? Perhaps we just don't understand this emerging art form, right? The Darwinism of MTV - apes descended from man.

Ever notice how most articles in any of the glossy magazines sound like they were all written by the same guy? And this writer just graduated from junior college? And yet he has all the correct opinions on social issues, no original ideas, and that shallow, smug, homogenized corporate omniscience, which enables him to assure us that everything is fine...

All this is great news for the PR industry - makes their job that much easier. Not only are very few paying attention to the process of conditioning; fewer are capable of understanding it even if somebody explained it to them.

TEA IN THE CAFETERIA

Let's say you're in a crowded cafeteria, and you buy a cup of tea. And as you're about to sit down you see your friend way across the room. So you put the tea down and walk across the room and talk to your friend for a few minutes. Now, coming back to your tea, are you just going to pick it up and drink it? Remember, this is a crowded place and you've just left your tea unattended for several minutes. You've given anybody in that room access to your tea.

Why should your mind be any different? Turning on the TV, or uncritically absorbing mass publications every day - these activities allow access to our minds by "just anyone" - anyone who has an agenda, anyone with the resources to create a public image via popular media. As we've seen above, just because we read something or see something on TV doesn't mean it's true or worth knowing. So the idea here is, like the tea, perhaps the mind is also worth guarding, worth limiting access to it.

This is the only life we get. Time is our total capital. Why waste it allowing our potential, our scope of awareness, our personality, our values to be shaped, crafted, and boxed up according to the whims of the mass panderers? There are many important issues that are crucial to our physical, mental, and spiritual well-being which require time and study. If it's an issue where money is involved, objective data won't be so easy to obtain. Remember, if everybody knows something, that image has been bought and paid for.

Real knowledge takes a little effort, a little excavation down at least one level below what "everybody knows."




(Message edited by thomas_j_veil on April 26, 2006)
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Excellent article, Thomas and a good introductory read for anyone who still doubts that there is a fierce battle on for the control of human minds. The author and I agree on almost all points, though I do discern a Libertarian bias here and there. But then, in my struggle to inform myself and others about the reality of mind control operations, I've also found myself uneasily in bed with Fundamentalist Christians and Jews, so a Libertarian is actually quite a nice change

The best defense against would-be controllers of your mind is Knowledge. I keep saying that ad nauseum I realize, but that's because of it's tremendous validity and power to protect you from the Controllers. So a thread like this one is an excellent idea. I was once exactly like most of the people on this board, open and trusting and malleable. But I've learned things in the past 2 years that have changed me a lot and it was a positive change overall, though it was painful at times, as truly profound changes tend to be.

A California newspaper, the Napa Sentinel, did a very brave thing when they published a series of articles on the nature and history of mind control in America. Due to the fact that the proponents of mind control are so tremendously powerful and so very vindictive to anyone brave enough to "out" them in any public forum, this paper's little series is historically significant. So is the even more in-depth series of interviews done by a Canadian radio station, CKLN-FM.

Today, while reading another thread, I Googled that old letter purported to be from aliens, looking for a critical commentary on it by someone with an IQ above room temperature and found an excellent one that is like a crash course (quite painless, unless you happen to be a "friendly space brother" true believer) in looking critically at information. It's written by Henry See and can be found here. I'm out of online time for today, but I'm going to see if he's written anything else on the subject, since he's intelligent, perceptive and hard to fool and I'd like to be exposed to more of his thoughts.
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Pat.On the dial CKLN-FM please-thank you

Thomas here's one more perhaps new player "Starbucks".
They are behind an (Indi Movie) that would normally be seen as art house.

It's called Akeelah & the Bee produced by Lionsgate.Family Entertainment..

They have Blockbuster Marketing at Starbucks
& No product placement during the movie.
Starbucks says it had "Nothing" to do with
the film until after it was completed?

Is there a catch other than coffee breath?

TS
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Another rushed day, but I wanted to post a link to the site index of that amazing site where I found the See article yesterday--they call themselves the Quantum Future Group. Read the articles under "Psyclops" first. The main writer is named Laura Knight-Jadczyk and she *definitely* has her penetrating eye focused on the Controllers! Finding another person who is so interested in this and SO much more knowledgeable than I am is such a relief!

There are days when I wake up and wonder if I shouldn't just let myself sink back into denial and not keep hitting my head on the wall of people's misunderstanding and disbelief. But then I see the astounding number of articles this woman has written on some of the same subjects and I realize that it IS a valid and perhaps vital area to be writing in and informing people about.

Someone here on the board I think tried to get me to read their stuff years back, but they didn't provide a link and I went haring off after the wrong "Wave". The one that Knight-Jadczyk and her physicist husband are behind is The Wave, in which she describes a long series of channellings that were exhaustively researched and studied, then published, with commentary.

If only I'd gotten the right "Wave" way back then, I could have found a place where the stuff I was researching was already being discussed in depth....but maybe it was important for me to discover the basic bones of it on my own. I love the words they post on one page-- "Truth is truth, to the end of reckoning"--how well that sums up the heart of all resistance to the Controllers. They deal in lies and deceit and subterfuge, because to be honest would prevent them from enslaving us.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis 1935
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In the interest of objectivity, here is an alternate view of Laura Knight-Jadczyk:

Laura Knight Jadczyk - Grand Master Channel of the Cassiopaean Apocalypse

By Colleen Johnston © 2004

Authors note: I am an ex-cult member as well as one of the lead channels for a cult in which I was involved for about eight years. I was not the leader but was in what was called ‘The Triad’ (which was the group leader, another lead channel, and myself) within a similar group and feel fully qualified to speak out about the Cassiopaeans an the channelings of Laura Knight Jadczyk. I left the Council group in 1995 and have continuously researched similar groups. I can attest to the similarities and the betrayal by these group leaders, including the money scams the ‘Cassiopaeans’ and Laura Jadczyk perpetuates. It is similar to the group I was apart of because the ideologies are so similar. Even the catch phrase of ‘Knowledge Protects’ is similar to ‘Knowledge is Power’ that the guru I was involved with used. Because of my extensive knowledge into the trappings one gets into in such groups I see very similar’ revelations’ from the Council verses the Cassiopaeans. If I receive a response from the Jadczyk’s or other irate cult members I will also post them here. It’s time to expose these group leaders for exactly what they are – unscrupulous frauds with potential life threatening psychosis. This particular group is far from being a love and light - airy fairy type of ideology - they pose a real threat to people who are searching for something to explain odd events.~Colleen

The Web Weaved by the Master Channel on the Internet
My personal brush with Laura Knight Jadczyk was in 2001 while doing the radio show Nightsearch that aired on the Internet’s Nightsearch Paranormal Network (NSPN). I refused to have her on the Nightsearch show as a guest contrary to the pre arranged invite by ex-co-host Eddie Middleton. Middleton knowing my personal views and my very vocal stance on abusive cult agendas had the discernment of a rock to invite her on our show. I was angry and refused to propagate this insane woman’s confusing mixed bag of atrocious gloom and doom ideologies.

As far as the radio show that Mr. Middleton interviewed her on - to me it was obvious that she was making up details as she went along. I sat and listened to the whole interview and have it on CD as the Nightsearch Network was coming from my den. I have listened to it several times and can absolutely identify with her mind-controlled head-trip – she is a mirror image of my former guru as far as the paranoia and bad habits go.

I have been investigating her cult (as well as others) for a couple of years, and in very private communication with a few former members. Those members are going to remain anonymous in order to protect their identities. It’s take’s a great deal of courage to come forward and to report such information.

According to her Laura, in 1994, after the Shoemaker-Levy comet slammed into Jupiter, Laura Knight Martin began to channel the Cassiopaeans via a trumped up version of an Ouija Board with fellow board experimenter Fred Ireland. The board used the same type of communication techniques as the original Ouija. In 1996 she divorced the father of her five children Lewis Martin claiming he was a reptilian zombie replacement sent to destroy her ability to evolve on her pathway with the Cassiopaeans.

In 1997 she met and married a man named Arkadiusz Jadczyk who is a theoretical physicist from Poland whom she met over the Internet. He seems to be a legitimate physicist but is enamored with the channelings. Laura and her husband (they married in 1998) Ark lead a few dedicated followers of the cult after the move to France and all live on a small farm. It is unclear just how many members live on this farm to date.

Repeatedly Laura has used typical brain washing and mind control tactics over her members with strategies listed below:

Leadership comes in a pyramidal structure with all information coming from the top leadership (meaning Laura).
Blends ideologies such as Christian, so called Divine mastering, etc., and other types of spiritualities, including a dangerous pro-apocalyptic agenda.
Leaders uses hypnosis as a tool to further ‘Cassiopaean’ agenda by removing disembodied spirits from clients. (This was also done in the group I was in)
Leader uses disaster scenarios via writings to keep and obtain membership.
Claims exclusiveness of The Cassiopaean Experiment and a ‘you’ll miss the boat’ ideology if you do not become involved.
Uses personal neediness, charisma to gain income and dedicated followers.
Uses knowledge that comes from the exclusive channelings from Laura so called communications, as factual and other interpretations of channeled information are either ignored or not valid.
Uses anger, humiliation on members when they ask questions she cannot answer.
Uses outright lies to maintain belief structure and manipulates as well as twists what others Members say.
Uses times-line events but quickly changes ‘channeled’ information to suit the situation as supposed ‘event’ nears.

The complete article can be found here.

I think this illustrates Patricia's point that our best defense against mind control is knowledge. IMO, there are both positive and negative aspects to be found in almost any source of information we come across. Our job is to investigate the source as completely as possible and try to find the balance between the two--that is often where the truth exists. If we are eclectic enough in our approach, and discerning enough in our abilities to see through all the surface "fluff" to the heart of the information, we may find any nuggets of truth buried within. In the final analysis, I suppose all this illustrates the wisdom of remaining in question. Once we convince ourselves we have the answers, we open ourselves up to being deceived.
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Very thought-provoking posts.

I know very little about Laura Knight-Jadczyk, except what I've read on her site and some of the comments here and elsewhere that I've picked up. Many of the things she writes about concerning the subject of mind control certainly do seem pretty helpful from an educational perspective.

But I always have my radar going, having encountered more than my share of people in life whose egos seem to have been set on trying to eclipse the free will of myself and others. Whether Laura Knight-Jadczyk is one of those people, I really couldn't say for certain; I don't know - all kinds of things get said about all kinds of people, especially those with something controversial to offer. Ms. Knight-Jadczyk certainly has some controversial things to say - and I did enjoy reading many of those things, because many of them are true.

Still when I go to the supermarket, I never go with the idea of bringing home everything from there (that would be my shop-a-holic aunt…); instead, I usually pick up a just a few things that I need at the given moment.


quote:

Once we convince ourselves we have the answers, we open ourselves up to being deceived.




I agree; answers are good - questions are even better. That having been said, the Psyclops articles are interesting reading; as I wade through them, I'll pretend I'm in Ralph's - without my aunt.
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One of the many dilemmas involved in researching information for truth is the reliability of sources, because the trust in the accurate content of information relies on its origins.

Yet, oftentimes, the best information comes from the most unlikely people to have it, and vice versa - the worst information sometimes comes from the most credible.

For example, a brilliant academic with doctoral degrees might be a religious fundamentalist or fanatic who will convey both scholastic research and rigid belief dogma as facts in the same mix. You have to be able to discern the difference and separate the wheat from the chaff - by finding the original source of the facts presented.

One's emotions and spiritual beliefs might color the objective presentation of empirical data.

Similarly, Laura Knight-Jadcyzk might have researched mind control history thoroughly with a great depth of accurate revelation and understanding but might also be far too credulous with alleged channeled information from the stars.

So the "facts" contained in her information should be checked out and sourced while the interpretation of them, especially any spiritual or belief attributions, might be ferreted out and set aside as suspicious.

From personal experience in extensive, first-hand, in-depth research of the phenomena discussed on this board and its history, I have developed many sources for cross-referencing and checking data.

I was also, coincidentally, raised in a family of sensitives and spent my childhood summers in a wilderness camp for visiting psychics from all over the world. And I have since investigated, found and exposed many frauds in the paranormal field to the point I really distrust any allegedly channeled information as such.

Some of it may be from our higher consciousness but little, in my experience, comes from supposedly trustworthy spiritual oracles or alien entities.

Regardless of others' beliefs in that, I still review their information and writings on unrelated subjects with interest - and with a fine tooth comb to separate objective and subjective material and to source all of it as best I can to verify its accuracy and reliability.

I think the mind control information is more reliable than the channeled information on this site.
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Thank you, Partyghost. Your approach to this sounds very sensible to me.
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All of this IS thought provoking. Anyone who delves as deeply into COINTELPRO as the Quantum Futures folks have can pretty much count upon being excoriated, especially online, where anything can and usually is said about anyone who calls attention to themselves. Whether that is what is going on on that page labeling the Wave as a cult or not, we have no way of knowing, since it's all "he said/she said", unless you have the interest and resources to hire a PI to do an unbiased investigation of the principal players on both sides.

But I do find it interesting that Knight-Jadczyk goes to such lengths to explain techniques used in disinformation. Usually, disinformationists go to enormous lengths to keep their techniques unknown. I've not previously run into any who attempt to educate their potential victims so thoroughly....?

If you scroll down about 3/4's of the way on this page, you'll find some rebuttals to the information presented by some of their most vociferous critics. Since I have no personal knowledge of them and have only begun to read the articles posted on the Quantum Futures site, I plan to do as partyghost is doing--read and do my level best to evaluate the material on its own merits. What I can tell you is that their take on disinformation is in agreement with what I've read elsewhere. And it is very valuable in spotting COINTELPRO scams, with which our experiencer community is inundated almost constantly.

Channelled information is of interest to me, but it has to be evaluated exceedingly carefully, since there are not only scam artists out there, there are also self-deluded, but well-meaning people who have no clue that their government might be broadcasting disinfo directly to them and to other sensitives. Their ignorance of mind control technology and agendas is usually complete, which makes them easy prey. Since Laura Knight-Jadczyk is writing about exactly this, in an effort to inform others of the possibility, it's difficult for me to come up with a way that she would benefit if she were knowingly disinforming.

When you read extensively about mind control, you are bound to come upon information planted by disinfo hacks--that's a 100% probability--so the trick becomes to swallow nothing whole. Every morsel needs to be held in question and compared against other sources. And that's challenging, but by no means impossible if you're sufficiently highly motivated to understand the Controllers and their covert motives.

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I have accidentally started reading The Wave online thanks to this thread, and am finding it terrificly interesting, giving slight form to some nebulous ideas I've had but hadn't yet come across in a mirror.

Also printed out the linked essay by Thomas and the series on Mind Control.

Anyway, I appreciate all that is so far in this thread. Thanks.
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quote:

Usually, disinformationists go to enormous lengths to keep their techniques unknown. I've not previously run into any who attempt to educate their potential victims so thoroughly....?




That's true, unless the "disinformationist" is also a narcissist. (And I'm NOT saying here that any particular individual is or isn't at this point; just "if.") If that's also the case, then a well-informed victim would also be a "tastier" victim.

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Oooo--Thomas, that is SO interesting...and so true! Ye gods, how twisted....I'm going to give that some thought. I suspect my handler of being a narcissist, so I'm wondering now if he's tracking my gradual education in the art of mind control with more than just professional interest....perhaps it makes his job more "fun" to have a subject who is more aware and conscious of her own dilemma?

This makes me wish for the hundredth time that Onesmartrat was still with us. She kept insisting that most mind control operation personnel weren't necessarily narcissists and I kept arguing that they almost had to be in order to do the things they did to other human beings. Disinformationists, to me, seem likely to be the kind of people who really, really get off on being smarter than the rest of us, narcissists or not. And that's even more likely if they've created a cult.
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Was Roswell a covert "Mind Control" operation aimed at (1) propagandizing and then (2) manipulating the very highest levels of U.S. Government, including the President? A concoction devised by the most devious people of the time in order to "seize control" of the now most powerful country in the world, the United States of America?

Now before anyone "gets that look on their face," let me EMPHASIZE that I'm not suggesting that "aliens" aren't real. Not at all. (I believe, personally, that they are; in fact, I seem to have "met a few" some time back.)

Still, my mind does ask questions.

I started asking these questions because of a number of very interesting "coincidences" of the time.

This whole "Mind Control" subject is almost overwhelming to me. There are more "twists and turns" than my little brain can handle, almost. So I sincerely want feedback on these ideas, or the broad brush-strokes behind this posting, at least.

I've been reading the history of 1947 recently; I sort of picked that as a good year to start because there are a number of things about 1947 that bug me. (I know - I'm quite dull. ) And the number of apparent "coincidences" in that year is amazingly frequent.

Interestingly (for us denizens of the Unknown Country), the CIA was formed almost exactly three weeks after the alleged "saucer crash" at Roswell.

The organization that would later become the CIA, the OSS ("Office of Strategic Services), had been disbanded in October 1945, following the end of WWII. But in 1944, before it was disbanded, it's director, William J. Donovan ("Wild Bill") had given his "plan" for a new covert spy agency to then President Roosevelt. Roosevelt considered this proposal, but died before acting on it. After the War, the remaining "information agencies" ceased doing covert work, and returned to acquiring information (a novel concept today, I know…). Meanwhile, in the absence of any "centralized intelligence agency" in the U.S., the "covert intelligence agents" from Nazi Germany were "out looking for work." Some of them went to Russia, some of them were recruited secretly by the United States. Now remember, this is 1945.

As most of you know, the job search by these Nazi's (surely a REAL monster.com, if you know what I mean) was successful; through Operation Paperclip they found "intelligence work" in the United States, through "elements" in our government who were "familiar" with their work. Maybe even "friendly" to it as well.

But still "Wild Bill" Donovan's plans for his proposed CIA languished in the Oval Office. 1945 ended. 1946 came and went. And yet no "central" intelligence agency had yet been formalized.

Come July 1947, two things happened in rapid succession: reports of a downed alien space craft in New Mexico and then - three weeks later - the National Security Act was signed into law by President Harry S. Truman, which (finally) replaced the OSS with the newly formed CIA.

When I read this, I wondered if, like 9/11, an "incident" might have been concocted to "push through" some sweeping legislation that might otherwise not have had the necessary urgency. (After 9/11, the Patriot Act, which had been prepared years before was suddenly signed into law by desperate politicians, who felt the sudden "need.")

I've probably taken some "leaps in logic" here, I know. I haven't "filled in all the blanks" yet. But I had never thought of Roswell as a possibly concocted story - by former Nazis newly hired into the American intelligence establishment - for the purpose of seizing control of our government, the most powerful post-war government on earth.

It would certainly answer a number of nagging questions about the "Roswell Incident."

After all, what better way to seize compartmentalized control of the intelligence community - and the senior levels of U.S. governemnt - than to create a fictional "incident" that only they are aware of, and then exploit that secret "incident" for the purposes of massive covert control of a super-power? (All their work of hiding their tracks would be done for them…)

One last thing: when asked what his greatest mistake was as President, Harry S. Truman unhesitatingly replied, "Establishing the CIA, under the National Security Act of 1947."

(Message edited by thomas_j_veil on May 01, 2006)
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I agree that the creation of the CIA turned out to be a huge mistake, mainly because the Executive Office lost control of it to others less scrupulous and driven by a hunger for power.

Also, even Eisenhower warned of an out-of-control military industrial complex that was usurping the powers of the presidency and congress to make policy that would benefit their own corporate elite.

While I favor Nick Redfern's research findings on Roswell (Body Snatchers in the Desert) over those of Stanton Friedman, the subsequent so-called "MJ-12" cabal was created mostly to cover their control technologies then well underway and to spread disinformation.

I think the Roswell incident cover-up (regardless of what was actually covered up) was a ruse to get the Soviet agents in America to suspect the US had captured alien technology.

The original target of much of the UFO propaganda was the USSR, a known god-less, superstitious culture and leadership that could, it was thought, be easily disinformed with occult-related revelations and thus might also be intimidated with the intentionally-leaked discovery that the USA had captured alien technology for use in weaponry development, including an alien alliance.

Prior to the Santilli alien autopsy hoax admissions, the original (aged & damaged) film he had acquired was said to have been post-war disinformation originally faked by COINTELOPS to further convince the Soviets of the US capture of aliens.

Regardless of the validity of such rumors, it was known that Project Paperclip brought in former Nazis and integrated some of their war research (concentration camp human endurance limits) and science (Von Braun Rocketry) into the Cold War weaponry development and testing (including superior warrior R&D tha tlead to MKULTRA).

The fanatics of fascism were very opposed to the fanatics of communism and the covert controllers of the US military-industrial complex would ideologically be more allied with former Nazis than with the Commies, so their bed was made with that devil.

It has grown into today's NWO corruption thanks mostly to public apathy and disinterest in probing their politicians and the politico puppet masters still pulling the purse strings.

And the UFO cover story still gets the snickering deflection by the controllers still using it as a diversion - because enough credulous dupes still attribute all the NWO corruptions to space aliens.

The Soviets took down the Iron Curtain and disbanded the USSR suddenly and inexplicably, ending the traditional Cold War of East versus West. Whether that was fear of aliens, or Star Wars technology, or simple economic implosion is anyone's guess.

But the US public has bought into the alien cover story hiding human corruption, and the CIA is still laughing. I wonder if the aliens are too.

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Thanks for your response, Partyghost.

It's gratifying to know that I'm not totally "off the mark" in that Roswell might have been used as a means of "mind control."

I'm sure that there are elements in the CIA that are still laughing. And maybe the "aliens" too, as you've suggested.

Still I always think the subjects of "mind control" and "aliens" (UFO's too) is (1) so complicated in itself, and it has (2) been made even more complicated by all the compartmentalized deception, fabrication, and outright propaganda, it's confoundingly difficult to sort it all out. I do think that UFO's have consistently been used by the CIA (or its elements) for mind control purposes, dovetailing a real phenomenon (UFO's) with a manufactured one (UFO's) in order to conceal both - and befuddle "us."

I appreciate your help in sorting this out.
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Hubby having barely survived the "voo-doo" Drs. at the local hospital and their lack of communication to staff caring for him, it's no wonder all the "tests/studies" etc. etc. don't jive.

Fact #1-People are born, live and then they die.
Fact #2-Only 15% of what goes wrong with the human body can be "fixed" by physicians.
Fact #3-Physicians can not "interfer" fully with #1, regardless of if they know a great deal.
Fact #4- Eat, drink, and be merry. Life is short, so get on with it.
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Thanks Thomas for posting that. It is obviously written by a very insightful person. I love America with all my heart but it is going downhill rapidly and I think that happens to all great powers at some time. Here's an excerpt from what you posted and it reflects the bigger picture the entire world is witnessing in America.

"There's no question that as a nation, we're getting dumber year by year. Look at the presidents we've been choosing lately. Ever notice the blatant grammar mistakes so ubiquitous in today's advertising and billboards? Literacy is marginal in most American secondary schools. Three-fourths of California high school seniors can't read well enough to pass their exit exams. ( SJ Mercury 20 Jul 01) If you think other parts of the country are smarter, try this one: hand any high school senior a book by Dumas or Jane Austen, and ask them to open to any random page and just read one paragraph out loud. Go ahead, do it. SAT scales are arbitrarily shifted lower and lower to disguise how dumb kids are getting year by year. (ADD: A Designer Disease) At least 10% have documented "learning disabilities," which are reinforced and rewarded by special treatment and special drugs. Ever hear of anyone failing a grade any more? "

Of course there are still countless people that do not fall into that category and so there is great hope. And usually at the time of death the phoenix rises up anew.

But as far as the government using countless people for mind control torturing experiments etc well that is baloney. If it were true then all other governments would have daily shows interviewing three or four victims who describe the tortures the American government did to them as children. It would be the end of the U.S as a credible nation. The very end of it if such people actually existed.

As for the mind control perpetuated by the media I fully agree that it is so. There was a thing on TV not long ago and every now and then an image of that Russian Temple type building would flash on for about 1 tenth of a second. It was very fast and no one but me noticed it. It seemed to burn an image on my brain slightly. And the actual show was just light hearted political nonsense with no real powerful message, but someone had deliberately installed images into the original film to subtly control or influence peoples minds.
That's exactly what the aliens told me would happen!! They must be God....
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if a person 'was' mind-controlled, they certainly wouldn't know it at the time, would they? :-)
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Is just Deja Moo..the feeling that
you've "herd" this bull before..
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The language mistakes are intentionally brought into the education arena. Teachers were taught to present misspelled words to their classes. I've seen it in the early 90's.

Sign on the board: We are at the LIBERRY
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The trauma-producing MKULTRA mind control experiments on thousands of innocent victims are a matter of record, first described by the victims, then revealed in detail in FOIA documentation, later confirmed by government and the researchers involved, and still readily available as project listings by date and subject matter online.

Only an idiot would deny it's real. And one just has, yet again.

Ignorance is bad enough without posting it openly amongst people who know the truth first-hand and have the PTSD as an ongoing reminder.
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Partyghost

Here's The real Mkultra story.

Simple experimentation with LSD etc. Not the mind control that aliens are doing across the globe. And not done to the numbers being suggested by the mc fanatics.

For example millions of Canadians wonder if they're mkultra victims but:
"the Canadian government eventually settled out of court for $100,000 to each of the 127 victims"

I can't find the number of U.S victims involved but I'm sure it was less than 1% of the numbers being perpetuated by the mc hype these days.

So it was just ordinary defense force experiments. No big deal, and certainly nothing that warrants the taking over and silencing of the real mind control issues being brought forwards by alien abductees in today's age.
That's exactly what the aliens told me would happen!! They must be God....
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Partyghost: I'll never forget an elderly Jewish woman I became friends with a few years back, who was being hassled by two men who were denying - in a room full of people - that the holocaust had ever even occurred.

Dorothy paused for a moment, and replied, "Then would you mind telling me what happened to my parents?"

The room fell silent, and the two men had nothing left to say.

I think of the victims of MK-ULTRA in a similar way as I do my friend, Dorothy, and her parents.
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brought to you by WGBH Boston, and the------- Group and the ------- foundation, proud supporters of "children's programming."

it seems that it is in every layer. but what is the trick? knowing that or and just saying to your self well now I am on the inside now that i know. and am I perpetuating it? let us hope not but ill say this again and again. turn the TV off your kids are watching. lets start there.
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that one always gets me the holocaust never happened. then why did my great uncles loose there sanity over what they saw over there is what i say.

Thomas that is terible about your friend. its like saying that slavery never happened in america.
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The Holocaust has absolutely nothing to do with anything here. Millions were gassed like rats in a far off place and you want to cash in on the sympathy generated by that. The real Mkultra victims would not be part of such nonsense for a moment, and they sure wouldn't abuse alien abductees or try to convince them they were delusional etc.

Of course the governments were experimenting with mind altering techniques as soon as they became aware of them. It wasn't even a secret amongst certain circles. (They found out it didn't work, by the way.) But to think they are controlling minds with gadgets these days as a result of those old experiments is pure fantasy and there will never be a shred of proof that it is so.

The beginning post on this thread was highly intelligent and the person had their head screwed on right. They dealt with facts mainly. I like that when dealing with social issues on a 3d basis. But trying to say you're a type of Holocaust victim is erroneous and a type of mind control in itself. No one is allowed to question you because you represent the ultimate victim etc etc. What a mind controlling trick that is.
That's exactly what the aliens told me would happen!! They must be God....
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Anyway Thomas I'll leave your thread alone from now on. I just wanted to add my two cents before the thread descended into pure fantasy and make believe etc.

It has a catchy title that's for sure, and the person you borrowed the wisdom from was intelligent too.
That's exactly what the aliens told me would happen!! They must be God....
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One important point before some of you all go into a fit of cussing and swearing in Latin at me while your heads spin around.

I said there were no countless victims as asserted by others around here.

There are countless alien abductees but they have nowhere to turn because of this government coverup of all alien related things.

I said there are no countless numbers of Mkultra victims. I've always known there are a certain number but nothing that warrants such a religion to be created about them. If they were everywhere like alien abductees are then foreign governments would have a hayday exposing endless tortures that occurred in America. But they can't because things are not like that in reality. In fantasy they are but that is just a belief system with no proof to back it up.

It's a psychological syndrome America's collective mind has had implanted into it that's all.

I'm outa here but send me a pm if you have a problem with me please.

ps: My father was in a Nazi prison, so I know very well that the Holocaust was real. He used to beat me within an inch of my life regularly. My teachers at school would whip me for hours sometimes. I've been through more tortures than any of you more than likely. And I'm closer to the aliens than any of you too. But I don't blame it on any government except the government of God which governs all the earth and which always has.

Whitley and other researchers state that the visitor force has always been here on earth. That's the real governing and mind controlling power behind everything.

It could be that you will wake up in stages or fall back to sleep ?? Bizarre anyway... Bye
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Your two cents make no sense, but they weren't expected to.

At least you're consistent in not understanding nor knowing what you're commenting on, and unprepared to research the facts in depth before dismissing people and events you are completely ignorant of.

And you wonder why you are not considered credible by the intelligent participants here.

The irony of you labelling others' beliefs pure fantasy and make believe when your own self-appointed role as a messiah for worshipping alien gods is exactly that, creates the kind of hypocrisy that makes your strident hubris and self-described heroics here terribly transparent as the desperate ego need for attention that that sadly, pathetically is.

You epitomize the snicker factor undermining this entire field of otherwise serious investigation.
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Aztec's posts make me reconsider/regret again and again my stance back when I told OSR that he wasn't a "program" disinformationist. If he's not, then he's certainly doing their work for them, and gratis, too...making me wonder what he IS getting out of it. By invalidating people who have managed to survive persecution and overcome huge psychological barriers in order to speak out against what has been done to them, he does indeed help to inculcate the disgusting "snicker factor" even more deeply. And the fact that he does it here, where there is at least a chance that minds might be open enough to take a fair look at the issue of mind control, is like adding insult to injury.
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Please pardon the intrusion, but I think this information is pertinent to the conversation:

Freudian Projection
The following is a collection of definitions of projection from orthodox psychology texts. In this system the distinct mechanism of projecting own unconscious or undesirable characteristics onto an opponent is called Freudian Projection.

"A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits."

"The externalisation of internal unconscious wishes, desires or emotions on to other people. So, for example, someone who feels subconsciously that they have a powerful latent homosexual drive may not acknowledge this consciously, but it may show in their readiness to suspect others of being homosexual."

"Attributing one's own undesirable traits to other people or agencies, e.g., an aggressive man accuses other people of being hostile."

"The individual perceives in others the motive he denies having himself. Thus the cheat is sure that everyone else is dishonest. The would-be adulterer accuses his wife of infidelity."

"People attribute their own undesirable traits onto others. An individual who unconsciously recognises his or her aggressive tendencies may then see other people acting in an excessively aggressive way."

"Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have."

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Miaree9, I fail to see how you - of all people - offering your opinion could ever be considered an "intrusion." More often than not, if anything, it is a welcome interruption.

What's more, the information on "projection" is valuable - and a good reminder. I "project" from time to time, you do it - we all do it. Those who think they don't do it, definitely need to read what you've just posted.

(Message edited by thomas_j_veil on May 03, 2006)
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Partyghosts project too. Telepathically.

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Just wanted to pop in & say I enjoyed reading that article Thomas. Thank you for posting it. It's refreshing to know others are not blind to what is going on around us. I think many folks in here are awake & aware of what is taking place and that's why I like coming here.
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Yes, Thomas, I think we all project from time to time, but most of us are insightful enough to recognize it. Occasionally, however, we will be confronted by someone who seems to have no personal insight whatsoever. That can be extremely disruptive to our little community here.
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I know I project too, but I am learning to just listen and not let what others believe effect me in a negative way.

its hard. but when I quiet my head I read the most amazing things from some of you guys and gals.

miaree9 your so on the money, I think you have a warrior spirit too. that’s a good thing. the good fight...
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Why, thank you, John.
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your way welcome
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Partly to *BUMP* this thread, I am posting this link here (any thread that Aztec tries to suppress, uh derail, has to be important).

Article about a family being devastated by mind control:

Incest atrocities with connections to Mk-Ultra

“Dr. Siemer is a high ranking member of a CIA sanctioned child molestation ring called “the Finders.”
This of course is consistent with Michael Riconosciuto’s testimony that Dr. Siemer worked on illegal biological warfare research for the CIA and US Intelligence groups in Indio in 1982.

What we have found is that Dr. Sidney Siemer is a child molester. A child rapist. A predator who used methods of control he learned as a member of the Military Intelligence division of the US Army to further his crimes. Based on the evidence we have gathered we believe that Dr. Siemer was involved with the MK ULTRA program initiated by the Central Intelligence Agency. The MK ULTRA program taught men how to control and affect others through brain washing, and mind control methods using radiation and experimental biological agents. Susan described her father’s use of mind control as a mix of classical conditioning with hypnosis, electric shock, sensory deprivation, and family cult involvement to increase fear. Other witnesses tell of Dr. Siemer’s involvement in radiation experiments, covert operations, and have confirmed his high security clearance.

Also important is Dr. Siemer’s immediate entry into our higher educational system upon “leaving” military intel to acquire his PHD in Biological Chemistry. His chosen field is a perfect match for biological warfare research and as stated by Michael Riconosciuto, Siemer in fact does work with illegal biological agents for private interest groups. So, we have a man that used mind control, learned from our own government, to create the perfect incestuous family. Through what the government taught him, Siemer set out with deliberation to use that information to perpetuate his desire to have sex with his own children. Dr. Siemer knew that if you cause enough trauma in children their minds split into different personalities in order to survive. While the child survives during the trauma—its internal defense mechanism creates an amnesiac wall to protect the child from remembering but also protects the perpetrator from being found out. How has Siemer escaped detection?
/continues...

More on the FINDERS here and here.
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Patricia Davis
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Thank you for posting that, QueenMab--I did some searches for information on what happened to Hamlin and discovered that the charges against him were upped to include alleged torture and that his eventual conviction in 2005 landed him in prison for *life*...!

It was impossible for me to figure out for certain who was lying and even the reporter who wrote the most about the case, Virginia McCullogh, seemed less sure by the end of the trial, though her early articles seemed openly sympathetic to Hamlin. She cited other cases where the charge of torture was invoked and certainly its inclusion in the Hamlin case seems very odd and inappropriate.

To me, though, the wife's sudden turnaround on her abusing father's guilt sounds suspiciously like that of a mind controlled slave who has been reaccessed by her handler and her memory barriers reinforced. Cases like these will continue to be almost impossible to prosecute or defend against as long as the conspiracy "snicker factor" exists.

As I was reading your last link, I came upon a phrase describing the 'charm school' to which Cathy O'Brien was sent and it triggered a kind of cascade of memories/associations for me, the first I've had in a long time. The phrase was "housed in an identified stone historical railroad barren's [sic] former residence".

Since my memory is not normal around these issues, it sometimes takes multiple word associations to free up a memory and that's what happened, I think, as I read the Hamil articles and the Finders ones--a pedophile Boy Scout leader was mentioned, which made me recall another one who lived in Cresson PA and who, it turned out, was using the basement of my mother's house to hold scout meetings and also, it turned out, to privately abuse boys. And that house happened to be on the former grounds of a railroad baron's stone mansion. And I've long suspected that it was my mother who involved me (or allowed me to be drawn into) a mind control operation.

But when I try to recall more--especially about missing time during visits to my mother's house, which was common for me--I run into a mental roadblock. All that comes back is a fragment of a memory of being in a car with her, on our way to (I think) Altoona and being terribly upset and worried about the lapses of consciousness I'd been experiencing for the past few days that I'd been visiting her, fearing that I had a seizure disorder.

This is typical of the kind of difficulties anyone researching mind control survivors' stories runs into--the evidential information is not generally available and even when bits of it surface now and then, it tends to be inferential and useless in establishing a case against possible abusers/perpetrators. And that's not accidental. The people doing the memory barrier programming know their stuff and have multiple fail-safes embedded within their subjects' minds.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis 1935
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I was sent a marvelous link by a poster here that deserves to be reposted on all the mind control threads--it's a discussion of many aspects of mind control as it's been practiced upon the American public for the past half century. It's like a primer on the subject--but an unusually long and detailed one. Most online mind control articles assume a lot of prior knowledge on the part of readers, but this guy (Omholt) starts with relevant scientific studies on human behavior and then discusses all the ways that public perception has been messed with by psyops types.

And toward the end, he goes into the methods used by disinformationists online, too. Fascinating reading, though most readers will probably want to bookmark the page and read it in chunks. I of course gobbled it down whole, since it contained so much information that was applicable to me

The link is here--it's well-written and a Good Read. But it bears saying that it's posted on a Libertarian site. While I agree with more on this one than I do on the dumber ones, it's still a political philosophy with problems, IMHO. The unusual thing about this site is its willingness to at least own up to some of those problems and also the intellectual level of its discourse.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis 1935
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Thomas
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That is a very worthwhile article. The tactics of coercive persuasion. And what is even more amazing is how common these tactics are.

And how effective. Chilling, actually.
"Question what's real. Question who's real."
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donnawa
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I just read something that started me to thinking of how people can be unknowlingly hypnotized and I was thinking how this can infiltrate the general population.

Then I thought of school children. What if programming started off through something as innocuous as hearing tests at the nurse's office and progressed to kindergarten screening for preschoolers?

Re: George Estabrooks on the following site:

http://www.hypnotism.org/Research.htm
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Patricia Davis
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Thank you for posting that link, donnawa--I've been looking for one for over a year and a half that would briefly, completely invalidate the false belief that "no one can be hypnotized to do anything that they wouldn't do while awake". That truism is utterly false and probably was thought up and widely disseminated by the Controllers themselves. If they can convince enough people of its truth, they can very neatly short-circuit any serious investigation into mind control right at its outset.

And I suspect that many children were exposed to basic programming that way--far more, probably, than were in formal mind control programs like MKULTRA.

There is also mention in this little article of 'sealing'--designed to prevent any non-program hypnotists from being able to hypnotize a program asset. And the induction of highly selective amnesia is mentioned too--and that's what I'm struggling with at present, so it was nice to see that someone knowledgeable believes in its existence
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis 1935
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Dancehawk
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Wake up call in his website, I really enjoyed reading everything he has there.
Funny thing I do beleave each of us here have been feeling these things.

hugs
going to order the enzimes, been trying to cit sugar out of diet, question we started using splenda do you think thats bad for us too?


dance
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starspirit
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Wow, patricia that article was good, scary & very informative.
Especially about the methods & tactics used by "psyops types" or "disinfo types"

this technique jumped out at me.....in more ways than one

"The name-calling technique of the disinformationist usually links a person, or idea, to a negative symbol, of some type. Beyond pure propaganda, the disinformationist crafts the name-calling into a form which has an emotional effect on the targeted audience. The usual style is to inject ‘distrust,’ into any association with the targeted individual/issue. The disinformationist who uses this technique hopes that the targeted audience will mentally AND emotionally reject the person or the idea on the basis of the negative symbol, instead of objectively looking at the available evidence."

LOL yeah, you guessed it, everyone knows what thread I just saw.
The above paragraph kinda sums up what I see in that area.
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Thomas
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Yep. That's a GREAT quote.
"Question what's real. Question who's real."
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Patricia Davis
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One of my friends had an insight along those lines the other day and I'm still thinking about it--she said that she'd suddenly noticed that the public school system seems to her to be designed to keep people at a pre-adolescent level when it comes to reaction to authority.

There are many rewards for not questioning authority in any way and for bonding to authority in a subservient manner. She said it seems as if someone understands very well how effective the Stockholm Syndrome is at eliciting obedience from captives and is programming American children to behave that way to all authority.

This ties in with the stories that both Cathy O'Brien and Sue Ford tell of being spokespersons for far-reaching educational programs that were being pushed hard by the Controllers. Ford is intelligent enough and well-educated enough to see the implications of mass programming of the young by the same people who individually programmed them from early childhood. And it's a frightening picture....
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis 1935
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Thomas
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quote:

One of my friends had an insight along those lines the other day and I'm still thinking about it--she said that she'd suddenly noticed that the public school system seems to her to be designed to keep people at a pre-adolescent level when it comes to reaction to authority.

There are many rewards for not questioning authority in any way and for bonding to authority in a subservient manner. She said it seems as if someone understands very well how effective the Stockholm Syndrome is at eliciting obedience from captives and is programming American children to behave that way to all authority.




I think your friend, Patricia, is right on the money. This is an essential insight that I hope more people will listen to.
"Question what's real. Question who's real."
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Patricia Davis
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But it's the kind of insight that the Herd will reject out-of-hand, unfortunately. Because, if they accepted it, they might be forced to realize that they're sending their kids off to die for corporate profit. And that would be unbearable for most of them, so they'll reject it.

The friend who had this revelation has put her young son into a Montessori school due to her discomfort with even the better local public schools. Now that she sees clearly what's being done in public schools, I have a feeling she'll continue to struggle to pay for more private schooling for him, too.

But most folks, I have a feeling, will reject the idea--to use George Lakoff's term for it, it will "bounce off their frames". IOW, they've been conditioned from childhood to reject such information and won't let it penetrate. But I'm living proof that it's possible to change that reaction--I was raised in a "strict father frame" home, but eventually managed to change enough deep cognitive structures that I became able to process formerly forbidden thoughts and to question authority--"nurturant parent frames".

But it wasn't easy. And it's absolutely necessary if humans are ever to throw off the yoke of the Controllers, because they seem to be endlessly devious and very clever indeed at reworking their strategies to mind control us. What they learned from MKULTRA is now successfully utilized to control great masses of people. How do we waken the sleeping Herd??
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis 1935