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mthood
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Username: r_f

Post Number: 69
Registered: 9-2010
Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2010 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I've been thinking a lot about housing alternatives. I know many own homes (I do, but I rent it out) and if things get difficult in a hurry, much of this will be worthless, however I have a list of affordable housing options that others might find useful.

Keep in mind that draconian building codes exist in many parts of the US, but in some parts, not so much. Not sure how it would translate to other countries.

Most importantly, these are structures that can be built by you, or friends and family, and that are cheap, energy efficient, and in some cases portable.

First one I found was Microhousing. Obviously, if you have a large family, then things get cozy, but for many it would be an option.
http://tinyhouseblog.com/
http://microhouse.wordpress.com/

Of course, you could use a camp trailer, but for the most part, unless you get a expensive one, they are pretty cheaply made and don't hold up to weather too well.


the there is:
Shipping Containers

Build your house out of old shipping containers:
http://weburbanist.com/2008/05/26/cargo-container-homes-and-offices/
http://green.yahoo.com/blog/daily_green_news/8/twelve-amazing-shipping-container -houses.html

and my personal fave:
Yurts
http://www.yurts.com/
http://rainieryurts.com/

Of course, without potable water, housing is moot, the trick is it find both.
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susi
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Username: etsi

Post Number: 3341
Registered: 11-2009
Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 7:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

http://reesetipis.com/
sure you can trust the government....just ask an indian.
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Victoria
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Username: victoria

Post Number: 797
Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2010 - 7:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Tipis -- unfortunately, no indoor plumbing, toilets, showers, hot water -- ohhh!
Too many people enjoy the comfort of opinion
without struggling through the labor of thought. JFK
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mthood
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Username: r_f

Post Number: 82
Registered: 9-2010
Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 8:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I slept in a tipis once, though it had cement floors, so I guess that doesn't count.

Yurts are a pretty good compromise. You can put all the amenities of a modern house in a yurt.

In the end, I think exploring alternative building methods would be a good skill set to have.
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allen
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Username: eastsider01

Post Number: 2314
Registered: 4-2005
Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Try this place out. Yurts galore! http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=l&ai=CoFDu4CP5TLvmCMu9gwel7JnPCMrvyOIBrIi_wgrK-I7l QRABILDv9wYoBVDvgMeP_v____8BYMmGgIDMI6AB3s2O8QPIAQGqBBZP0F6qBCdYO_KeITwqR6DEn3Qm I8zv&num=1&sig=AGiWqtzAaSo0ay3ZYPim2XM9P1l6r7H4OQ&adurl=http://coloradoyurt.prox y.calltoday.ws/yurts/index.php%3Futm_source%3DCallToday-Google%26utm_medium%3DCP C-Search%26utm_campaign%3DYurts
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Victoria
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Username: victoria

Post Number: 798
Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 2:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I've looked at the new version of a "straw" house. You use straw bales between the exterior and interior house walls, an 18-20 inch insulating factor from heat and cold, and the interior design is standard.

The only down side might be rodents wanting to make homes in the straw, but I'm sure someone has addressed that issue. But straw is natural and easily adaptable to any design.
http://www.balewatch.com/
Too many people enjoy the comfort of opinion
without struggling through the labor of thought. JFK
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susi
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Username: etsi

Post Number: 3345
Registered: 11-2009
Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 5:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

victoria

my friend built a straw bale. mice aren't a problem. the bales are covered with stucco. :-)
sure you can trust the government....just ask an indian.
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Victoria
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Username: victoria

Post Number: 800
Registered: 8-2006
Posted on Friday, December 03, 2010 - 5:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

How does your friend like the straw house? (makes me think of the 3 little piggies and the big bad wolf story )

The stucco exterior is the norm, but in a wet climate, stucco doesn't fare that well. But maybe there have been advances in wet-weather stucco that I don't know about! I still like the idea of it, but am in the damp and snowy Pacific NW costal area.

I suppose the thing sits on a concrete slab so critter access would be impossible.
Too many people enjoy the comfort of opinion
without struggling through the labor of thought. JFK
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susi
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Username: etsi

Post Number: 3348
Registered: 11-2009
Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2010 - 6:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

she loved it. it's a great insulator. never had a problem with wet weather. we have monsoons here and it never affected the house.
sure you can trust the government....just ask an indian.
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Alan C Thomas
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Username: 47patriot

Post Number: 4
Registered: 3-2010
Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 3:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Termites fly to form a new colony, so a concrete slab is not a perfect barrier to their infestation.
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mthood
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 9-2010
Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 8:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Straw bale is a great way to build a house. I think it's important to realize that not all building methods are good everywhere. Using local materials is key.
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Jimmy
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Post Number: 1499
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Monday, December 06, 2010 - 9:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Straw bale rocks! Rg of 35 insulating factor...but if you wnat a fancier one then you'll need a green builder...they are hard to find.
"Don't take life to seriously;no one gets out alive."

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mthood
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Post Number: 196
Registered: 9-2010
Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 - 5:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

You can use this cheery Russian shelter in a pinch:

http://www.dezeen.com/2010/12/17/vostok-cabin-by-atelier-van-lieshout/

Looks happy.
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mthood
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Username: r_f

Post Number: 205
Registered: 9-2010
Posted on Monday, December 20, 2010 - 1:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Or you could build a tree house:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chucksutherland/4795091807/sizes/l/
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allen
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Username: eastsider01

Post Number: 2332
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Posted on Monday, December 20, 2010 - 3:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

The Colorado Yurt Company has many different size yurts and teepees.
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ManyMansions
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Username: manymansions

Post Number: 5139
Registered: 3-2008
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2010 - 12:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

http://prefabcosm.com/home/
... Fear is the Thief of Dreams! ...
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Smith
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Username: fractld

Post Number: 17
Registered: 12-2010
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2010 - 12:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLbd4x7mbQY
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mthood
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Username: r_f

Post Number: 243
Registered: 9-2010
Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2010 - 7:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Great video Smith! thanks. He has some great ideas and exemplifies what I was talking about. Sustainable, affordable housing. It sure irritates the banks, builders and current state of house construction.

The shots of NM are awesome. Love it down there.

(Message edited by r_f on December 29, 2010)
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Smith
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Username: fractld

Post Number: 42
Registered: 12-2010
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 7:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

You are welcome Mthood, but maybe
The Party is Over(boo)

http://www.truth-out.org/peak-oil-and-a-changing-climate-an-introduction-video66 587


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mthood
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Username: r_f

Post Number: 272
Registered: 9-2010
Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 9:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Well, I don't think I ever got invited to the party to begin with.

Not sure how I feel about "peak oil". I've read conflicting stories.
I think if we have reached that point, affordable, easy to build housing is even more important. Use what you have.
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mthood
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Username: r_f

Post Number: 311
Registered: 9-2010
Posted on Monday, January 10, 2011 - 3:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

http://news.guelphmercury.com/News/article/742996

At home in the woods and in the round

She lives her life deep in the woods, in the round and off the grid.

On the fringes of Canada’s most densely populated and developed region, within earshot of the earthmoving machines that push residential development to the edges of fast-growing Guelph, Arlene Slocombe goes about her days in an environment of exquisite peace.


Looks interesting
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mthood
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Username: r_f

Post Number: 330
Registered: 9-2010
Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 - 9:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

http://www.npr.org/2011/01/11/132735006/tired-of-waiting-haitians-build-their-ow n-homes


Housing remains one of the biggest challenges facing Haiti as it tries to recover from the 7.0 earthquake that destroyed much of the capital last year.



As the one-year anniversary approaches, more than 1 million people remain in tents and makeshift huts in encampments around Port-au-Prince.

But recently, thousands of people who've grown tired of the camps have started building houses in Cabaret, fields just north of the capital.


Build with what you have.
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Smith
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Username: fractld

Post Number: 53
Registered: 12-2010
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2011 - 10:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

More from the author, The Party is Over

http://www.truth-out.org/the-globes-limitations-how-peak-oil-threatens-economic- growth-video66786

Peak Oil= The end of cheap,accessible oil.
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Smith
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Username: fractld

Post Number: 98
Registered: 12-2010
Posted on Thursday, January 27, 2011 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Looks like the video on my post #17 went private on
utube. Here's another one about living off the grid by the same Garbage Warrior.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYGhAtOFHh8

He is top shelf in my opinion

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anna
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Username: anna

Post Number: 3336
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Lots of great pics here of shipping container homes...

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1276&bih=823&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi= g7&oq=&q=Shipping%20Container%20House&tbs=isch:1

(Message edited by anna on March 03, 2011)
http://www.cartville.com/app/?af=1287624

Energy-Creations.com
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anna
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Username: anna

Post Number: 3337
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

And earthbag homes-

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1276&bih=823&q=earthbag+home s&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g3&aql=&oq=
http://www.cartville.com/app/?af=1287624

Energy-Creations.com
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anna
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Username: anna

Post Number: 3338
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

http://www.hybridseattle.com/
http://www.cartville.com/app/?af=1287624

Energy-Creations.com
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anna
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Username: anna

Post Number: 3339
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 01, 2011 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

http://tinyhouseblog.com/tiny-house-concept/steves-shipping-container-cabin/
http://www.cartville.com/app/?af=1287624

Energy-Creations.com
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Mama Shine
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Username: mama_shine

Post Number: 15086
Registered: 9-2006
Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2012 - 8:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Wasn't sure where to post this.

I love this....unfortunately no
hills in the New Orleans area.
I do have roots in Wales, always wanted
to visit.

http://www.simondale.net/house/index.htm
I must create a system, or be enslaved by another man's. ~William Blake

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Stephen Tenacé
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Username: manymansions2

Post Number: 2034
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 8:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

http://www.off-grid.net/
"Fear is the Thief of Dreams" - unknown author "If you have a golf ball sized consciousness, you experience a golf ball size reality." - David Lynch
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Stephen Tenacé
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Username: manymansions2

Post Number: 2320
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Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 1:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

https://www.facebook.com/homesteading
"Fear is the Thief of Dreams" - unknown author "If you have a golf ball sized consciousness, you experience a golf ball size reality." - David Lynch
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Mr. Mthood
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Username: mthood

Post Number: 4
Registered: 4-2012
Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 6:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Tiny Homes

It comes highly recommended. I'm picking it up soon.
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Sharon2
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Username: sharon2468

Post Number: 4163
Registered: 8-2004
Posted on Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 8:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I've seen some tiny homes and they are amazingly practical.
When did we become a society of excesses?
We really don't need 2000 square feet for people who only take up a few square feet at a time.

Thanks Mthood. I'd like to get that book.
Our life is determined by the choices we make!
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Mr. Mthood
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Username: mthood

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Registered: 4-2012
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2012 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

You're welcome. Unfortunately, for my family, I'd need about 4 of those little houses....but someday!
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Many Ascensions
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Username: ascension1

Post Number: 307
Registered: 11-2012
Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - 4:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Vicki Arroyo: Let's prepare for our new climate
http://www.ted.com/talks/vicki_arroyo_let_s_prepare_for_our_new_climate.html
No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.
- Albert Einstein -
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Mr. Mansions
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Post Number: 1071
Registered: 11-2012
Posted on Thursday, April 11, 2013 - 4:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

This caught my attention...

From Containers to Condominiums

http://awarenessmag.com/march-april-2013/march-april-2013-e-mag.pdf

http://www.awarenessmag.com/

The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress.
-Joseph Joubert-
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Lily
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Username: lilaclily

Post Number: 309
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Sunday, August 25, 2013 - 5:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

No matter what kind of housing, the most important thing is to have it paid by the time social security comes around. U can control all ur other expenses but this one is tricky. I am surprised that the so called experts always waiver about this.
Its what has helped us retire early.
-:---.God and the Universe Love and Adore you, bringing you Mystical, Wonderful Gifts:-...

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Michael Smith
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Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2013 - 5:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Here is the cold, naked truth. With the advent of the age of petroleum, the world threw a party they thought would never end.

Suburbia was created to escape the ugliness of the big cities where industry was concentrated. We built millions and millions of miles of roads, freeways, and bridges thinking that we could forever commute to our jobs, to the malls, to the grocery stores, to our friends and families houses driving in cars with internal combustion engines

Oil and the products that it is refined into, namely gasoline, diesel, and kerosene (plastics, asphalt, paint, and pesticides being other products)is like have thousands of energy slaves at your disposal.

The days of cheap and abundant oil/energy are coming to an end, and all of these suburbs and the roads and freeways that make it accessible are coming to an end. It will prove to be the greatest misallocation of resources in human history.

Whether you believe or realize it, housing values will plunge into the negatives. The post fossil fuel communities will have to be painfully rebuilt by hand, intensely local, and with agriculture being the predominant human activity. The entropy bunkers that some call houses in the suburbs will decay and become the new slums. People will gradually have to learn to live like the Amish do.

Most people do not realize it, but their retirement will not be there for them. The money you paid into social security has been stolen by the government.

If you are looking for a home, try to find one in the country with fertile soil. Plant fruit trees and rotate your crops. Raise your own chickens and rabbits. Install a wood burning stove for heat. Start to take up gardening, and learn a craft or two that people will barter for so you can get some of the things you need in a post collapse economy where simple barter and gift giving will be the new ways of transacting.
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cherokee
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Username: cherokee

Post Number: 1483
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Your last paragraph is wise indeed. Exactly what we chose to do.

To insure we cannot lose our farm we never had a mortgage. Then we got a special covenant that lowered our property taxes to next to nothing. It also insured that the land will never be developed even after we are gone so it will remain a haven for wildlife, meadows, & forest.

We built our home on the footprint of an existing barn so not a single square foot of soil was disturbed. We heat with an energy efficient fireplace and feed it wood from fallen branches and trees thus it's free and we don't have to cut down any trees.

We grow most of our own food- far more than we need- and give the rest away to friends, family, & charity food banks. We can and freeze for the winter.

As far as good soil, that's not a requirement for anyone. There's no such thing in these parts so we make our own. There's nothing but red clay around here, good for growing nothing but fire ants and kutzu which is why it ain't called soil, it's simply called dirt. Signs along the roads don't advertise top soil for sale, they read, "Dirt For Sale." If'n it's prime stuff without many rocks, "Clean Dirt For Sale." One should always have clean dirt doncha know.

We grow in compost and use the Square Foot Gardening Method. 80% less space, 80% less water, 80% less work, and the results are outstandingly bountiful. It's also organic. Nor do we use any chemical pesticides. No bunnies, cluckers, or cattle but we plan to eventually get some laying hens.

I once said I would get a calf or buffalo to raise but the Barn Goddess said, "Fine, you do that. I'll name it Fluffy and that will be the end of that."

She has no sympathy for Bambi though because she's been hard on my case to harvest deer. Easy enough I suppose, all I would have to do is raise a window. Last time in town she walked me over to get a hunting license. She's a hard woman. "Food is getting expensive, we've got a freezer, you need to kill something!"

People talk about protecting habitat. Better they actually do it by buying acreage and protesting it and the wildlife it holds.

Best Wishes from Mole Hollow

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